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  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Well, yes. I addressed that in the rest of my post.
    Surely a competent lawyer would have had the quotes on hand with dates and source. The entire case hinges on it! How could she not have them ready to be presented? But she apparently didn't have a single example of a defamatory statement. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can only assume she knew the evidence didn't exist and was hoping the "They made a Muslim kid feel bad" defense would be good enough.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Surely a competent lawyer would have had the quotes on hand with dates and source. The entire case hinges on it! How could she not have them ready to be presented? But she apparently didn't have a single example of a defamatory statement. Maybe I'm missing something, but I can only assume she knew the evidence didn't exist and was hoping the "They made a Muslim kid feel bad" defense would be good enough.
      She apparently didn't have a single example of a defamatory statement made on television, which is what the judge asked for. I'm sure she had examples of defamatory statements; she couldn't have been THAT incompetent.
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      • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        She apparently didn't have a single example of a defamatory statement made on television, which is what the judge asked for. I'm sure she had examples of defamatory statements; she couldn't have been THAT incompetent.
        Then why was the case thrown out? Is there some strange rule in Texas that it has to be said on television for it to count as defamation? Surely if there were any examples at all then the case would have gone forward, so I assume the attorney didn't have any.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Then why was the case thrown out?
          Because the defendants moved to have it dismissed, and the judge was persuaded by their arguments.
          Is there some strange rule in Texas that it has to be said on television for it to count as defamation? Surely if there were any examples at all then the case would have gone forward, so I assume the attorney didn't have any.
          I suspect that in the judge's mind, only something as public as defamation on television would have sufficed to overcome the defendants' arguments to dismiss the case. Your assumption is faintly ridiculous; there had to have been some examples of alleged defamation in order to have any shot at all of getting past even a MTD.
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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Then why was the case thrown out? Is there some strange rule in Texas that it has to be said on television for it to count as defamation? Surely if there were any examples at all then the case would have gone forward, so I assume the attorney didn't have any.
            THIS Defamation case was specifically against the Local Fox Affiliate, Glen Beck, Jim Hanson who was a guest on Becks show and CSP. All of that was on TV...

            From Rogue06's Cite:
            • The motion to dismiss was filed by lawyers from the American Freedom Law Center (“AFLC”) and local counsel Pete Rowe on behalf of the Center for Security Policy (“CSP”) and Jim Hanson, two of the defendants in the defamation case, which also named as defendants the local Fox affiliate, Glenn Beck, and Beck’s production company.
              Mohamed had sued Hanson and CSP for statements Hanson had made on Beck’s program about the connection between the Clock Boy hoax bomb affair, the attendant media frenzy created in large part by his father Mohamed, civilization jihad, and the Counsel on American-Islamic Relations (“CAIR”), the Muslim Brotherhood-Hamas front group in the United States that promotes civilization jihad.
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            • Then that makes it even more baffling that she couldn't immediately present the requested evidence.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                So the lawyer wasn't even ready to present his case? Or was he vainly hoping he wouldn't be asked? It boggles my mind that he would waste 15-minutes looking for something he had to know didn't exist.
                Maybe his dog ate it

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                • Not sure how good a source "EAGnews.org" is but this is interesting.

                  Source: ‘Clock boy’ defamation case explodes in court — ordered to pay attorney fees


                  Daily Wire Editor-In-Chief Ben Shapiro did nothing wrong in questioning the motives of Ahmed “Clock Boy” Mohamed, a Muslim student who was detained by police after building a “clock” that resembled a bomb, a Texas court ruled.

                  A Dallas County District Court judge this week dismissed a defamation lawsuit filed against Shapiro by Mohamed’s father, Mohamed Mohamed, over Shapiro’s comments about the September 2015 incident at MacArthur High School in Irving.

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                  Ahmed Mohamed was only a few weeks into school when the then ninth-grader came to class with what he described as an “invention,” which was basically a disassembled clock that was sloppily reassembled in a pencil box.

                  Mohamed showed his science teacher, who advised him to put it away. Later in the day, when the clock began beeping in his English class, his teacher took action because she believed it looked like a bomb. Mohamed was detained and questioned by police and briefly charged with possessing a hoax bomb, though the charge was later dismissed.

                  Mohamed’s politically active father, who has ties to terrorist-sponsoring foreign regimes, then took the boy on a world tour and was photographed with wanted war criminal and Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir before visiting the White House at President Obama’s invitation. Obama tweeted support for Ahmed as police investigated the situation.

                  Activist groups including the Council on American Islamic Relations and others, meanwhile, accused officials of Islamophobia while the Center for Security Policy, Glenn Beck, Shapiro, Fox News and other news organizations investigated and opined on Ahmed’s story.

                  Many of those folks believe the case is an example of “civilization jihad” promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood.

                  Shapiro told Fox News’ Megyn Kelly the incident “was a setup and … President Obama fell for it because it confirms a couple of his pre-stated biases against police and against people who he perceives to be Islamophobic.”



                  “Within the first forty-eight hours it was clear that this was a bit of a set-up and it was clear that the story didn’t hold together,” Shapiro said.

                  Mohamed “took the guts out of an old clock, you can see people do it on YouTube. He literally took the guts out of an old clock, the wiring, and he put it inside of a pencil box and proceeded to bring that into the school and this is not the first family incident that has been like this,” Shapiro said. “His sister had an incident in 2009 that was somewhat similar.”

                  Mohamed eventually moved to Qatar after receiving a full scholarship to attend a school in Doha, but the boy and his father made a special trip back to Texas during the teen’s summer break last year to file a $15 million federal lawsuit against the city of Irving, the school district, and MacArthur High School Principal Daniel Cummings, EAGnews reports.

                  Mohamed Mohamed followed up with the defamation lawsuit against Shapiro and other conservative commentators.

                  On Thursday, Shapiro tweeted the court order on his motion to dismiss the case, which was “well taken and should be and is in all respects granted.”

                  In addition, “Shapiro is entitled to recover his attorneys’ fees, curt costs, and other expenses in bringing his Motion to Dismiss and defending against Plaintiff’s claims,” the order read.

                  “Ben Shapiro has always been a steadfast advocate of the First Amendment and there was never any doubt he was going to stand up for his right to speak freely,” Shapiro’s attorney, Kurt Schlichter, told Townhall. “I’m very grateful that the state of Texas takes the First Amendment seriously, I only wish my own state of California would do the same, especially after the fiasco at Berkeley yesterday.”



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