"Are Mormons Christians" by Stephen Robinson

[Bill the Cat]

Having read a portion of the book, I found this paragraph telling of the level of misunderstanding on Robinson's part...

Are Mormons Christians?

Yet even among conservative Protestants the doctrine of deification is still occasionally found. Paul Crouch of the Trinity Broadcasting Network says: "I am a little god. I have His name. I am one with Him. I'm in covenant relation. I am a little god. Critics begone." Robert Tilton, a Texas evangelist, says that man is "a God kind of creature. Originally you were designed to be as a god in this world. Man was designed or created by God to be the god of this world.'' Kenneth Copeland, also of Texas, tells his listeners, "You don't have a god in you. You are one!" He writes that "man had total authority to rule as a god over every living creature on earth."

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Crouch, Tilton, and Copeland?? Surely Robinson can't be that ignorant of the "terrible three's" heresies, can he?

[Rayado]

Yeah, I don't think we got that memo.

[The Plain Jane]

What a horrible misrepensation!

[Piebald]

I am a little god. Critics begone.

*Bursts into flames*

[Jin-Roh]

*Bursts into flames*

That's some serious ignorance on Robinson's part.

[Philosophickle]

TBNites are conservative Protestants?

[Jin-Roh]

TBNites are conservative Protestants?

No.

[The Plain Jane]

TBNites are conservative Protestants?

Certainly not!

[Trout]

Greetings Bill, Elder Trout here:

I'm not suprised you don't agree with those quotes Bill, most modern Christians don't. But that wasn't always the case, there are many passages in the Bible that would indicate that Copeland and Crouch are correct.

The Bible tells us that God is the father of our spirits. "Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the father of spirits, and live?" More than this, the Bible tells us we are the offspring of our Heavenly Father. "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring." Our physical bodies are the offspring of our mortal parents, and God is the Father of our spirits. Therefore, our spirits are the offspring of God in the very same sense that our bodies are the offspring of our earthly parents. The book of Acts goes on to tell us that since we are the offspring of God, God must be some type of being which we are similar to.

Then there are the very words of Christ in John 10:

Jesus answered them. Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods'! If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

So it seems Copeland and Crouch aren't that far off the mark after all.

[Jin-Roh]

Trout, I believe this is the second time I"ve seen you play devil's advocate. Are there no LDS here who would speak for themselves?

[The Plain Jane]

Trout, I believe this is the second time I"ve seen you play devil's advocate. Are there no LDS here who would speak for themselves?

[Bill the Cat]

Greetings Bill, Elder Trout here:

I'm not suprised you don't agree with those quotes Bill, most modern Christians don't. But that wasn't always the case, there are many passages in the Bible that would indicate that Copeland and Crouch are correct.

The Bible tells us that God is the father of our spirits. "Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the father of spirits, and live?" More than this, the Bible tells us we are the offspring of our Heavenly Father. "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring." Our physical bodies are the offspring of our mortal parents, and God is the Father of our spirits. Therefore, our spirits are the offspring of God in the very same sense that our bodies are the offspring of our earthly parents. The book of Acts goes on to tell us that since we are the offspring of God, God must be some type of being which we are similar to.

Then there are the very words of Christ in John 10:

Jesus answered them. Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods'! If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

So it seems Copeland and Crouch aren't that far off the mark after all.

I'll spank this tomorrow... but good to see you back Trout!

[Trout]

I'll spank this tomorrow... but good to see you back Trout!

Greetings there Bill, Elder Trout here,

I'd suggest that you cut down your coffee intake now, because when you want to join the LDS church you'll have to quit cold-turkey.

Just a thought.

[Bill the Cat]

Greetings there Bill, Elder Trout here,

I'd suggest that you cut down your coffee intake now, because when you want to join the LDS church you'll have to quit cold-turkey.

Just a thought.

Coffee is one of the most disgusting things EVER!! :yack:

[The Plain Jane]

Coffee is one of the most disgusting things EVER!! :yack:

Quite the contrary, it is a most excellent beverage.