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    Jude 1:13 raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    Is this referring to shooting stars, or something else?

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    This is just the typical Greek way to refer to the planets. They were 'wandering stars' as opposed to the fixed stars.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      Jude 1:13 raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

      Is this referring to shooting stars, or something else?
      Might that underlined word be a reference to *Helel* in Isaiah 14.12 ? If *Helel* is Venus, that makes H. a planet - IOW, a wanderer.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by robrecht View Post
        This is just the typical Greek way to refer to the planets. They were 'wandering stars' as opposed to the fixed stars.
        Yup.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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        • #5
          Originally posted by robrecht View Post
          This is just the typical Greek way to refer to the planets. They were 'wandering stars' as opposed to the fixed stars.
          Linguistic finesse : planetes is the Greek word for wandering. I think also the word actually used in Jude in Greek NT.
          http://notontimsblogroundhere.blogspot.fr/p/apologetics-section.html

          Thanks, Sparko, for telling how I add the link here!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hansgeorg View Post
            Linguistic finesse : planetes is the Greek word for wandering. I think also the word actually used in Jude in Greek NT.
            'planao' is a Greek verb for 'wandering' that is used here, along with 'aster' in the plural for 'stars'. From the verb we eventually get our word for 'planets', and from the noun we get our words 'astronomy' and 'astrology' and 'star'.
            βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
            ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

            אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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