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October 18th 2006, 06:31 PM #301
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Male - ChristianRe: Limited Atonement?
Love. It's actually higher on the criteria list than faith. We are justified by God's love (Grace).
Originally posted by Tickle Me Trout
"The whole human race will be found to be under a curse...The Father of all wished His Christ, for the whole human family, to take upon Him the curses of all" Justin Martyr c160
'For He is the most holy and merciful Lord, and He loves the human race.'Irenaeus c180
'You have already been ransomed by Christ - and that at a great price!'Tertullian c211
"We trust in the living God, who is the Savior of All men, especially those who believe." St. Paul c60
"'And in Him is no darkness at all' - that is, no passion, no keeping up of evil respecting anyone. He destroys no one, but grants salvation to all." Clement of Alexandria c195
"God hates your guts until you believe that He doesn't." 20th Century 'theology'
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October 18th 2006, 06:32 PM #302
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How have those suffering in Hell been justified by God's love? Originally posted by RanRan
"I'm hoping to rope enough corpses together to make a small raft." Mad_Gerbil, D&G
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October 18th 2006, 06:34 PM #303
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He redeemed them. He first loved them. There's more to salvation than justification. Originally posted by Tickle Me Trout
Last edited by RanRan; October 18th 2006 at 06:39 PM.
"The whole human race will be found to be under a curse...The Father of all wished His Christ, for the whole human family, to take upon Him the curses of all" Justin Martyr c160
'For He is the most holy and merciful Lord, and He loves the human race.'Irenaeus c180
'You have already been ransomed by Christ - and that at a great price!'Tertullian c211
"We trust in the living God, who is the Savior of All men, especially those who believe." St. Paul c60
"'And in Him is no darkness at all' - that is, no passion, no keeping up of evil respecting anyone. He destroys no one, but grants salvation to all." Clement of Alexandria c195
"God hates your guts until you believe that He doesn't." 20th Century 'theology'
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October 18th 2006, 06:38 PM #304
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Male - ChristianRe: Limited Atonement?
So why are the people in Hell? Originally posted by RanRan
"I'm hoping to rope enough corpses together to make a small raft." Mad_Gerbil, D&G
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October 18th 2006, 06:42 PM #305
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Lack of love. Originally posted by Tickle Me Trout
20-Zip 'God loves everyone' Poll results. You haven't voted yet, have you?Last edited by RanRan; October 18th 2006 at 06:49 PM.
"The whole human race will be found to be under a curse...The Father of all wished His Christ, for the whole human family, to take upon Him the curses of all" Justin Martyr c160
'For He is the most holy and merciful Lord, and He loves the human race.'Irenaeus c180
'You have already been ransomed by Christ - and that at a great price!'Tertullian c211
"We trust in the living God, who is the Savior of All men, especially those who believe." St. Paul c60
"'And in Him is no darkness at all' - that is, no passion, no keeping up of evil respecting anyone. He destroys no one, but grants salvation to all." Clement of Alexandria c195
"God hates your guts until you believe that He doesn't." 20th Century 'theology'
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October 18th 2006, 06:47 PM #306
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So unless people have it within themselves to "love", they suffer in Hell? Originally posted by RanRan
"I'm hoping to rope enough corpses together to make a small raft." Mad_Gerbil, D&G
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October 18th 2006, 06:55 PM #307
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I'm not the judge of that - you are. Are you going to go into your "God created them to populate Hell, thingie?" Originally posted by Tickle Me Trout
"The whole human race will be found to be under a curse...The Father of all wished His Christ, for the whole human family, to take upon Him the curses of all" Justin Martyr c160
'For He is the most holy and merciful Lord, and He loves the human race.'Irenaeus c180
'You have already been ransomed by Christ - and that at a great price!'Tertullian c211
"We trust in the living God, who is the Savior of All men, especially those who believe." St. Paul c60
"'And in Him is no darkness at all' - that is, no passion, no keeping up of evil respecting anyone. He destroys no one, but grants salvation to all." Clement of Alexandria c195
"God hates your guts until you believe that He doesn't." 20th Century 'theology'
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October 18th 2006, 06:58 PM #308
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Male - ChristianRe: Limited Atonement?
No, that's exactly what you've said. Perhaps you could explain yourself a different way so we could understand. Originally posted by RanRan
God knows that some will suffer in Hell; right RanRan? Originally posted by RanRan
God could extend forgiveness to them if He wanted to; right RanRan?"I'm hoping to rope enough corpses together to make a small raft." Mad_Gerbil, D&G
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October 18th 2006, 07:02 PM #309
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He did already, that's the point. He first loved them. Are you a universalist? Originally posted by Tickle Me Trout
"The whole human race will be found to be under a curse...The Father of all wished His Christ, for the whole human family, to take upon Him the curses of all" Justin Martyr c160
'For He is the most holy and merciful Lord, and He loves the human race.'Irenaeus c180
'You have already been ransomed by Christ - and that at a great price!'Tertullian c211
"We trust in the living God, who is the Savior of All men, especially those who believe." St. Paul c60
"'And in Him is no darkness at all' - that is, no passion, no keeping up of evil respecting anyone. He destroys no one, but grants salvation to all." Clement of Alexandria c195
"God hates your guts until you believe that He doesn't." 20th Century 'theology'
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October 18th 2006, 07:07 PM #310
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He didn't extend forgiveness to those suffering in Hell; right RanRan? Originally posted by RanRan
"I'm hoping to rope enough corpses together to make a small raft." Mad_Gerbil, D&G
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October 18th 2006, 07:18 PM #311
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Quick points:
People are in Hell because they are not forgiven.
God's love doesn't equal God's forgivness.
The church has always taught this.Hey, my name's not actually Jane but Jamie
(Don't ask.) In times past on this site, I have been unwilling to listen to other points of view, and even attacked those who thought differently. I am truly sorry and I humbly repent to those whom I have hurt. "Jesus saves all whose trust is placed in Him alone for salvation, not those whose theology is without inaccuracy. If that were the case, I suppose that none could be saved." -- William Birch
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October 18th 2006, 07:20 PM #312
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He did already! That's the point, Trout. When are you going to get this? Originally posted by Tickle Me Trout
"The whole human race will be found to be under a curse...The Father of all wished His Christ, for the whole human family, to take upon Him the curses of all" Justin Martyr c160
'For He is the most holy and merciful Lord, and He loves the human race.'Irenaeus c180
'You have already been ransomed by Christ - and that at a great price!'Tertullian c211
"We trust in the living God, who is the Savior of All men, especially those who believe." St. Paul c60
"'And in Him is no darkness at all' - that is, no passion, no keeping up of evil respecting anyone. He destroys no one, but grants salvation to all." Clement of Alexandria c195
"God hates your guts until you believe that He doesn't." 20th Century 'theology'
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October 18th 2006, 07:21 PM #313
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When you explain it properly to me. Originally posted by RanRan
So you believe that those in Hell have had ALL their sins forgiven?"I'm hoping to rope enough corpses together to make a small raft." Mad_Gerbil, D&G
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October 18th 2006, 07:36 PM #314
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Of course! God wouldn't renege on that. He's not like that. Which is to say, He's not like you. i.e. It's not about 'sins', it's about love. Originally posted by Tickle Me Trout
Last edited by RanRan; October 18th 2006 at 07:38 PM.
"The whole human race will be found to be under a curse...The Father of all wished His Christ, for the whole human family, to take upon Him the curses of all" Justin Martyr c160
'For He is the most holy and merciful Lord, and He loves the human race.'Irenaeus c180
'You have already been ransomed by Christ - and that at a great price!'Tertullian c211
"We trust in the living God, who is the Savior of All men, especially those who believe." St. Paul c60
"'And in Him is no darkness at all' - that is, no passion, no keeping up of evil respecting anyone. He destroys no one, but grants salvation to all." Clement of Alexandria c195
"God hates your guts until you believe that He doesn't." 20th Century 'theology'
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So, you don't believe that it's sin that seperates those in Hell from God? Originally posted by RanRan
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