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    Not the end of the world

    Futurist belief in sequential order:

    - A Time of Sorrows (an unspecified amount of time) will occur first.
    (pre-tribbers believe the rapture will occur here)
    - This will be followed by the Tribulation (unspecified amount of time, though some believe this to be 3.5-7 years).
    - Then Jesus returns.
    - A thousand years follow as Jesus reigns in this world.
    - Then a new heaven and new earth is created (the world ends!).

    So, when people claim that futurists said the "world will end" (on this day) after a certain event occurs this is just wrong or merely a strawman projected onto futurists to discredit them (possibly by atheists attempting to discredit Christians in general).

    The end of the world won't occur for literally hundreds of years after these specific events occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Futurist belief in sequential order:

    - A Time of Sorrows (an unspecified amount of time) will occur first.
    (pre-tribbers believe the rapture will occur here)
    - This will be followed by the Tribulation (unspecified amount of time, though some believe this to be 3.5-7 years).
    - Then Jesus returns.
    - A thousand years follow as Jesus reigns in this world.
    - Then a new heaven and new earth is created (the world ends!).

    So, when people claim that futurists said the "world will end" (on this day) after a certain event occurs this is just wrong or merely a strawman projected onto futurists to discredit them (possibly by atheists attempting to discredit Christians in general).

    The end of the world won't occur for literally hundreds of years after these specific events occur.
    Well, to be fair it would be "the end of the world as we know it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Well, to be fair it would be "the end of the world as we know it".
    And I feel fine

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    Not necessarily; one can be a futurist and an amillennialist.
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    One can believe anything, but I doubt they exist,or they'd be extremely rare. Thousand year reign seems to be synonymous with futurist belief. Actually, the irony is that it seems preterism would likely produce more of a belief in the sudden "end of the world" view than futurism.

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    Um, I'm leery of any view that presumes a specific chronology.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Um, I'm leery of any view that presumes a specific chronology.
    Matthew 24:8 - "The beginning of sorrows" (but the end is not yet).
    Matthew 24:21 - "Great tribulation."
    Matthew 24:29 - "After the tribulation."
    Matthew 24:30 - "Coming of Christ."

    Is it that complex?

    Point being, futurists don't argue that one event will lead to the "end of the world." That's just a misrepresentation of futurism and a strawman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Matthew 24:8 - "The beginning of sorrows" (but the end is not yet).
    Matthew 24:21 - "Great tribulation."
    Matthew 24:29 - "After the tribulation."
    Matthew 24:30 - "Coming of Christ."

    Is it that complex?

    Point being, futurists don't argue that one event will lead to the "end of the world." That's just a misrepresentation of futurism and a strawman.
    I wasn't making an argument but an observation. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough - it's the 'x years' part that concerns me.

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    Uh, no...

    While our planet may have survived September’s “blood moon”, it will be permanently destroyed on Wednesday, 7 October, a Christian organization has warned.

    The eBible Fellowship, an online affiliation headquartered near Philadelphia, has based its prediction of an October obliteration on a previous claim that the world would end on 21 May 2011. While that claim proved to be false, the organization is confident it has the correct date this time.

    “According to what the Bible is presenting it does appear that 7 October will be the day that God has spoken of: in which, the world will pass away,” said Chris McCann, the leader and founder of the fellowship, an online gathering of Christians headquartered in Philadelphia.

    “It’ll be gone forever. Annihilated.”

    McCann said that, according to his interpretation of the Bible, the world will be obliterated “with fire”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ble-fellowship
    I actually went on their site and looked around a bit because I just don't get it. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear these were atheists trying to make Christians look bad. It just boggles my mind.

    But this does not represent mainstream futurism. Though futurists disagree on a variety of issues, no futurist outside of the fringe is going claim that the world will end on a certain date. I can see where a Christian would blatantly disregard Matthew 24:36 and predict the return of Christ, but to predict the end of the world falls completely outside the scope of expected events as stated in the OP.

    What it does do is reaffirm Matthew 24:11 over and over and over again and shows me that, if we are indeed in the end times, Satan would naturally be relentless in his attempts to obfuscate, confuse and discredit this fact. What better way than to incessantly cry wolf over and over and over again leading up to the events of the end times in order to make skeptics even more skeptical and create a chilling effect among Christians about any end time discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    Matthew 24:8 - "The beginning of sorrows" (but the end is not yet).
    Matthew 24:21 - "Great tribulation."
    Matthew 24:29 - "After the tribulation."
    Matthew 24:30 - "Coming of Christ."

    Is it that complex?

    Point being, futurists don't argue that one event will lead to the "end of the world." That's just a misrepresentation of futurism and a strawman.
    Where does the "Battle of Armageddon" fit into your conceptualization of futuristic Bible prophecy?

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