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      Just curious how many presbyterians are on the board. And if so, how many have read or heard of the Peace, Unity, and Purity Report?
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      Ya poor, lonely Presby!
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      Quote Originally posted by Amazing Rando
      Ya poor, lonely Presby!
      yeah, how bout it. Where's the love people?
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      Re: Presbyterians? Anyone?

      It is on the PCUSA website at:
      http://www.pcusa.org/peaceunitypurity/finalreport.htm

      but i'm not particularly interested, i'm PCA and theologically conservative and reformed, not liberal or neo-orthodox.
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      Well, I go to a PCA church, though I don't know about calling my myself a presbyterian.

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      Quote Originally posted by Pilgrim
      Just curious how many presbyterians are on the board. And if so, how many have read or heard of the Peace, Unity, and Purity Report?
      I am a member of The Presbyterian Church (USA).

      This is the first I have heard of the Peace, Unity, and Purity Report.

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      Quote Originally posted by Tuck
      Well, I go to a PCA church, though I don't know about calling my myself a presbyterian.
      it is interesting to contrast the handful of conservative Presbyterian denominations in the US. I've found the PCA to be generally evangelical but without the knowledge base in theology that i saw in the OPC. I don't think i ever heard an OPC person say that they were uncertain if they were presbyterian or reformed. But i hear those ideas voiced pretty consistently in the PCA. The PCA doesn't appear to be as consistently committed to a strict presbyterian and reformed theology as the OPC is, i wonder why? both use the same confession with roughly the same subscription requirements for teaching elders.
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      Quote Originally posted by rmwilliamsjr
      It is on the PCUSA website at:
      http://www.pcusa.org/peaceunitypurity/finalreport.htm

      but i'm not particularly interested, i'm PCA and theologically conservative and reformed, not liberal or neo-orthodox.
      Yeah, I've actually read it and lead round table's on it for our presbytery. I was just curious if anyone else had read it.

      The second part of your statment seems to have little to do with anything though, as if neo-orthodoxy and liberalism are the defining frameworks of the PC(USA). They arn't. Just in case you were wondering. (Also, neo-orthodoxy is not neccesarily a non-reformed way of thinking.)
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      Quote Originally posted by John Reece
      I am a member of The Presbyterian Church (USA).

      This is the first I have heard of the Peace, Unity, and Purity Report.
      It is the report of the task force formed five yoears ago at GA to offer a definitive interpretation on the fidelity and chastity clause of the constitution of the church.
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      Quote Originally posted by rmwilliamsjr
      it is interesting to contrast the handful of conservative Presbyterian denominations in the US. I've found the PCA to be generally evangelical but without the knowledge base in theology that i saw in the OPC. I don't think i ever heard an OPC person say that they were uncertain if they were presbyterian or reformed. But i hear those ideas voiced pretty consistently in the PCA. The PCA doesn't appear to be as consistently committed to a strict presbyterian and reformed theology as the OPC is, i wonder why? both use the same confession with roughly the same subscription requirements for teaching elders.

      The PC(USA) uses the same confession as well. Interesting how so many splits can be found with that being the case.
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      Quote Originally posted by Pilgrim
      Just curious how many presbyterians are on the board. And if so, how many have read or heard of the Peace, Unity, and Purity Report?

      Oooo, oooo, I'm Presbyterian. My dad is an elder at our PCA church. Frankly, I can't imagine going to any non-Presbyterian churches any more. Plus in my town the choices are pretty much unitarian or the three Presby churchs. I do go to many different denominations, and they're fine, but I feel like I'm actually ascended to the heavenly places at our church.
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      Quote Originally posted by Pilgrim
      Just curious how many presbyterians are on the board. And if so, how many have read or heard of the Peace, Unity, and Purity Report?
      Hey Pilgrim- I think part of the reason so few of your PCUSA brethren are on this site is the nature of TWeb itself- for various reasons, it tends to attract predominantly nondenominational, independent baptist, evangelical, etc. types of Christians rather than a lot of members of the more established denominations. What say you?
      If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.

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      Quote Originally posted by Amazing Rando
      Hey Pilgrim- I think part of the reason so few of your PCUSA brethren are on this site is the nature of TWeb itself- for various reasons, it tends to attract predominantly nondenominational, independent baptist, evangelical, etc. types of Christians rather than a lot of members of the more established denominations. What say you?
      I think you may be on to something there. They tend to be less and more than most I think so this type of dialogue rubs many of them the wrong way. Though there was a time in this country when you could not be in a debate or politically hot situation without a presbyterian. Witness the signers of the Declaration and the Freedom riders for instance.
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      Quote Originally posted by Amazing Rando
      Hey Pilgrim- I think part of the reason so few of your PCUSA brethren are on this site is the nature of TWeb itself- for various reasons, it tends to attract predominantly nondenominational, independent baptist, evangelical, etc. types of Christians rather than a lot of members of the more established denominations. What say you?
      Hey! Not all of us jumped our denominational ships since coming to TWeb...
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      Quote Originally posted by Xavier
      Hey! Not all of us jumped our denominational ships since coming to TWeb...
      That's exactly how my pastor phrased it when I told him I was considering joining the Mennonites.
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