Arminian Error #1

[Reader]

The first error of the Arminian view, is that the descendants of the first
Adam, retain enough creational/moral virtue and inherent human righteousness, despite the fall, to accomplish a reversal, by willful choice, the consequences of Adam's original sin.

I do not believe this is true. I believe that Adam’s offense against God caused God to curse all mankind with an inescapable fate . . .death . . .as the wages of sin.

Arminians think that they, humanly, can decide and work a remedy for sin.

Calvinists believe that God's grace alone provides the remedy for sin.

[GoBahnsen]

The first error of the Arminian view, is that the descendants of the first
Adam, retain enough creational/moral virtue and inherent human righteousness, despite the fall, to accomplish a reversal, by willful choice, the consequences of Adam's original sin.

I do not believe this is true. I believe that Adam’s offense against God caused God to curse all mankind with an inescapable fate . . .death . . .as the wages of sin.

Arminians think that they, humanly, can decide and work a remedy for sin.

Calvinists believe that God's grace alone provides the remedy for sin.

I suppose that they would see a strawman, in that you leave out Christ's work, as if they would figure a way to God around the atonement.

[Arminian]

The first error of the Arminian view, is that the descendants of the first
Adam, retain enough creational/moral virtue and inherent human righteousness, despite the fall, to accomplish a reversal, by willful choice, the consequences of Adam's original sin.

I do not believe this is true. I believe that Adam’s offense against God caused God to curse all mankind with an inescapable fate . . .death . . .as the wages of sin.

Arminians think that they, humanly, can decide and work a remedy for sin.

Calvinists believe that God's grace alone provides the remedy for sin.

Snap!


James Arminius: "In this [fallen] state, the free will of man towards the true good is not only wounded, infirm, bent, and weakened; but it is also imprisoned, destroyed, and lost. And its powers are not only debilitated and useless unless they be assisted by grace, but it has no powers whatever except such as are excited by Divine grace."

Arminius, James The Writings of James Arminius (three vols.), tr. James Nichols and W.R. Bagnall (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1956), I:252

[Reader]

Snap!


James Arminius: "In this [fallen] state, the free will of man towards the true good is not only wounded, infirm, bent, and weakened; but it is also imprisoned, destroyed, and lost. And its powers are not only debilitated and useless unless they be assisted by grace, but it has no powers whatever except such as are excited by Divine grace."

Arminius, James The Writings of James Arminius (three vols.), tr. James Nichols and W.R. Bagnall (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1956), I:252

Being "assisted by grace" does not equate to being totally dependent upon grace.

[Arminian]

Being "assisted by grace" does not equate to being totally dependent upon grace.

That's all you have to say? Your post was full of false statements. Arminius believed that mankind totally fell "in Adam" and nothing good remained. I'll post some more of his material later (As if I care what he said!).

Sheesh! Basics.

[Reader]

That's all you have to say? Your post was full of false statements. Arminius believed that mankind totally fell "in Adam" and nothing good remained.

Sheesh! Basics.

Not discussing Arminius.

Discussing Arminianism.

What do Arminians say about the depravity of mankind? Do they declare depravity is total or do they declare depravity is partial?

You tell me, Arminian.

[Arminian]

Not discussing Arminius.

Discussing Arminianism.

What do Arminians say about the depravity of mankind? Do they declare depravity is total or do they declare depravity is partial?

You tell me, Arminian.

Total. In fact, it's not debated among his followers, Wesley's nor any of the Baptists that followed.

[Reader]

Total. In fact, it's not debated among his followers, Wesley's nor any of the Baptists that followed.

Alert!

Arminians do not believe that the depravity of man is total.

They believe that man still has the capacity to morally CHOOSE to get saved. That choice requires an inherent capacity of faith. And a supposed and inherent faith in God denotes VIRTUE.

Being partially virtuousness, does not equate to being totally depraved.

[Arminian]

Alert!

Arminians do not believe that the depravity of man is total.

They believe that man still has the capacity to morally CHOOSE to get saved. That choice requires an inherent capacity of faith. And a supposed and inherent faith in God denotes VIRTUE.

Being partially virtuousness, does not equate to being totally depraved.

Nope. False, as I quoted and showed. I'll post more on that later.

I guess you can keep chanting this, however.

[GoBahnsen]

[Reader]

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[Philosophickle]

Alert!

Arminians do not believe that the depravity of man is total.

They believe that man still has the capacity to morally CHOOSE to get saved. That choice requires an inherent capacity of faith. And a supposed and inherent faith in God denotes VIRTUE.

Being partially virtuousness, does not equate to being totally depraved.

Man is depraved in total. However, the work of the Spirit can bring one to a point of choice- follow Christ or remain in sin.

[Reader]

Man is depraved in total. However, the work of the Spirit can bring one to a point of choice- follow Christ or remain in sin.

Where exactly does God, by His Word, declare and teach this?

Surely you can provide such, since it is Arminian dogma, right?

[Philosophickle]

Where exactly does God, by His Word, declare and teach this?

Surely you can provide such, since it is Arminian dogma, right?

As much as I want to get into this for the umpteenth time, I think it's interesting to note that none of your 5 or so threads have a verse in the OP. Just "I believe"...

[Reader]

As much as I want to get into this for the umpteenth time, I think it's interesting to note that none of your 5 or so threads have a verse in the OP. Just "I believe"...

I posted the errors of Arminianism, for which there are no Scripture verses.

I have, in the past, on this very site, produced five voluminous posts on the five points of TULIP, replete with Holy Scripture, but it must be you never read those posts.