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  • University of Toronto Dumps Transgender Bathrooms!

    I mean who didn't see this coming? Are liberals so clueless about human nature?

    University of Toronto Dumps Transgender Bathrooms After Peeping Incidents

    The administration at the University of Toronto was recently enlightened on why two separate washrooms are generally established for men and women sharing co-ed residencies.

    The University is temporarily changing its policy on gender-neutral bathrooms after two separate incidents of "voyeurism" were reported on campus September 15 and 19. Male students within the University’s Whitney Hall student residence were caught holding their cellphones over female students’ shower stalls and filming them as they showered.

    Melinda Scott, dean of students at the University of Toronto, told The Daily Wire that campus police had been contacted immediately and worked with residence staff to “support impacted students and ensure the safety of the Residences.”

    “Given the serious nature of these incidents and the impact on directly affected students, we made the decision to specifically designate some washrooms in Whitney Hall for those who identify as men and those who identify as women,” Scott said.

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/330/un...s-pardes-seleh
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  • #2
    AP covers this here.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Did the university actually make all restrooms gender neutral?
      And worse, did they really have gender-neutral shower areas which didn't offer full secure privacy ?

      I would have thought they would at least have had what they now are saying ... about many restrooms being specific to gender.

      I could only guess that they were trying not to embarrass a minority of people ... at the expense of embarrassing most people, i.e. embarrassment for the violations that were mentioned in the OP

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      • #4
        I'm fairly new to the whole transgender debate, as until the last year or so I'd never really heard much about the issues and never met anyone who was transgender (that I knew of).

        My approach to the whole topic is that what these people are going through is often extremely hard and emotional for them, and everything we can do to lighten their burdens, support them, love them, and respect them, is what our moral obligation to them consists of. I am also always extremely wary of ever telling anyone "you must do X, you must conform".

        As far as I can tell, liberals tend to take a permissive and supporting view of "transgender people can use whatever bathroom they feel most comfortable using", which strikes me a resonating well with principles of freedom and respect. Having now seen various conservatives taking the view "No, they MUST use the bathroom that WE tell them to use", I am bemused by the inherent authoritarianism and willingness to force one's own views onto others.

        I have a genuine and honest question for conservatives here. The following are two pictures of transgender people I have come across online in the last month. I was wondering if conservatives here could explain to me what bathroom they would want to force these people to use, and why?

        Transgender3.jpg Transgender2.jpg

        I lack knowledge of the state of these people's genitals (and for that matter, the state of the genitals of 99% of people I have ever shared a bathroom with), if that is relevant to the discussion.
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        • #5
          "Dumps" --

          I'd like to see Sam defend this policy.

          Who here wouldn't mind taking a dump in the next stall from one of the opposite sex?

          Oops! That's right, specifying only two sexes is intolerant.

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          • #6
            Starlight,

            This guy claimed to be transgendered. Which restroom would you have him use?

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            That's what
            - She

            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              Starlight,

              This guy claimed to be transgendered. Which restroom would you have him use?
              I'm not quite sure which part of "I'm new to this subject, and don't really have any position" you didn't understand? Your inability to answer my simple question is currently speaking volumes about your own position though.

              Knowing you, I'm assuming you've found the 1 person in a million who's the exception to the rule, and are trying to use it to push a ridiculously conservative narrative that hurts 99.9999% of people for the sake of stopping that one person. So I'm guessing the correct answer is that the person pictured is a rapist or murderer or something and they should be using the prison restroom. And I'm guessing that all transgender people are equally guilty until proven innocent in your minds, and every possible freedom of theirs should be sacrificed for the sake of security, as per the standard paranoid-conservative worldview.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #8
                It also seems to be to be generally worth considering that millions of gay people have been using the same bathrooms as people they are attracted to for hundreds of years, with very very few incidents. So it doesn't seem like people using the same bathroom as the gender they are attracted to, is actually a problem.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  I'm not quite sure which part of "I'm new to this subject, and don't really have any position" you didn't understand? Your inability to answer my simple question is currently speaking volumes about your own position though.

                  Knowing you, I'm assuming you've found the 1 person in a million who's the exception to the rule, and are trying to use it to push a ridiculously conservative narrative that hurts 99.9999% of people for the sake of stopping that one person. So I'm guessing the correct answer is that the person pictured is a rapist or murderer or something and they should be using the prison restroom. And I'm guessing that all transgender people are equally guilty until proven innocent in your minds, and every possible freedom of theirs should be sacrificed for the sake of security, as per the standard paranoid-conservative worldview.
                  So, no answer then?
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                  - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                  I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                  - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    Knowing you, I'm assuming you've found the 1 person in a million who's the exception to the rule, and are trying to use it to push a ridiculously conservative narrative that hurts 99.9999% of people for the sake of stopping that one person.
                    But you have no problem hurting the 99% who want the bathroom of their own sex for the sake of 0.0001% who want to be what they ain't. Typical liberal.
                    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                    • #11
                      Does it seem to anyone else that StarDark, "Whag", Sam, SubBasementFloor, and (name an apparent radical leftist) are actually in a Debate Society, where they are asked consistently to take the wacko far Left view?



                      I mean, wow!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        So, no answer then?
                        Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                        But you have no problem hurting the 99% who want the bathroom of their own sex for the sake of 0.0001% who want to be what they ain't. Typical liberal.
                        I take it neither of you can mentally cope with me not having a view on this subject, and therefore you feel you absolutely must demand that I have a view and/or tell me what my view is, instead of telling me more about your own views like I'd asked.

                        Jedidiah gets bonus absurdity points for implying I want to force 99% of people to stop using the bathroom of their own sex.

                        Let's get back to my question. You people have a view, apparently strongly held, that you want to force people to use the bathrooms that you deem correct for them. So, please explain to my your methodology for choosing which bathrooms to force transgender/inter-sex people to use, and why. I gave pictures above of two women who have transitioned to being men. I suspect they have not yet had genital altering surgery, but I could well be wrong about that, and frankly I don't feel it would be any of my business to ask. For the purposes of this discussion, let's assume they haven't, so they still have some female bits down below.

                        Which bathroom would you lot demand that they use, and why?
                        Would you put them in the mens bathroom because they "look like" men? (in which case aren't you in danger of causing the wrong-genitals-in-wrong-bathroom situation you're paranoid about?)
                        Or would you put them in the womens bathroom because they've got female genitalia? (in which case aren't you in danger of scaring the women there, because they look like men?)
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          I take it neither of you can mentally cope with me not having a view on this subject, and therefore you feel you absolutely must demand that I have a view and/or tell me what my view is, instead of telling me more about your own views like I'd asked.

                          Jedidiah gets bonus absurdity points for implying I want to force 99% of people to stop using the bathroom of their own sex.

                          Let's get back to my question. You people have a view, apparently strongly held, that you want to force people to use the bathrooms that you deem correct for them. So, please explain to my your methodology for choosing which bathrooms to force transgender/inter-sex people to use, and why. I gave pictures above of two women who have transitioned to being men. I suspect they have not yet had genital altering surgery, but I could well be wrong about that, and frankly I don't feel it would be any of my business to ask. For the purposes of this discussion, let's assume they haven't, so they still have some female bits down below.

                          Which bathroom would you lot demand that they use, and why?
                          Would you put them in the mens bathroom because they "look like" men? (in which case aren't you in danger of causing the wrong-genitals-in-wrong-bathroom situation you're paranoid about?)
                          Or would you put them in the womens bathroom because they've got female genitalia? (in which case aren't you in danger of scaring the women there, because they look like men?)
                          If their DNA says they are a male, then they use the male restroom. If they have mental issues and think they are something else, tough crap.
                          That's what
                          - She

                          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                            If their DNA says they are a male, then they use the male restroom. If they have mental issues and think they are something else, tough crap.
                            In which case there are mild laxatives available over the counter.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              I take it neither of you can mentally cope with me not having a view on this subject, and therefore you feel you absolutely must demand that I have a view and/or tell me what my view is, instead of telling me more about your own views like I'd asked.
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              . . . My approach to the whole topic is that what these people are going through is often extremely hard and emotional for them, and everything we can do to lighten their burdens, support them, love them, and respect them, is what our moral obligation to them consists of. I am also always extremely wary of ever telling anyone "you must do X, you must conform". . . .
                              It looks to me that you do have a "view". Do anything and everything we can, is very telling.

                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Jedidiah gets bonus absurdity points for implying I want to force 99% of people to stop using the bathroom of their own sex.
                              Sorry this is just plain dishonest. The vast majority of people want to use the bathroom of their actual sex and are often made quite uncomfortable by folks who look like the opposite sex being in there with them. If a woman looks like a man no one would know about this whole thing. If a man looks like a woman the same is true. Neither of these situations are what is being described in this issue. What we have is people putting their pathology in everyone's face. "Look at me, my body looks like this, but I am not this so I will go into the bathroom that matches my pathology. I do not care that it makes folks uncomfortable."
                              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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