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    Quote Originally Posted by hansgeorg View Post
    Marta, you are forgetting one parallel with Abraham.

    Stabat mater dolorosa + Genesis 22.

    But there is also a difference, Isaac was just an image of Our Lord, not Our Lord Himself.

    Apart from that, I was comparing to OT passages where women are either called "blessed" or "blessed among [the] women [who]".

    Important parts:

    28 "I came from the Father and entered the world (luke 1:35, and John 1, "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.).

    In turn, I will leave the world and go tothe Father.(John 16, "You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy.")




    44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’d Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

    61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

    70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”



    The understanding is that God, like the passages out of the OT (Torah), chooses a time and the people for His purpose. Like the story of Jacob upon seeing his son Joseph after all those years, as he thought his son was dead, rejoiced!


    • They told him, "Joseph is still alive! In fact, he is ruler of all Egypt." Jacob was stunned; he did not believe them.
    • 27 When they told him all the words of Joseph that he had spoken to them, and when he saw the wagons that Joseph had sent to carry him, the spirit of their father Jacob revived.…



    4 Then Joseph said to his brothers, “Come close to me.” When they had done so, he said, “I am your brother Joseph, the one you sold into Egypt! 5 And now, do not be distressed and do not be angry with yourselves for selling me here, because it was to save lives that God sent me ahead of you. 6 For two years now there has been famine in the land, and for the next five years there will be no plowing and reaping. 7 But God sent me ahead of you to preserve for you a remnant on earth and to save your lives by a great deliverance.a

    8“So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God.


    What did you read out of this story of Jacob and Joseph about the redemption and the rejoicing - "You will see me and then you won't"? It is about the reuniting! It is about how God's plan has a purpose and also, a direction! Correct - God's doesn't change His plan or promise? All started with a prophecy (in Joseph's dream) that eventually lead the Israelites to Egypt and then after 400 years of slavery to the Exodus, to the receiving of the laws in the desert and then to the promise land. However, initially (actually) was from another prophecy - the covenant (Brit) of pieces or covenant of parts.

    Hebrew Bible, the covenant of the pieces or covenant between the parts (Hebrew: ברית בין הבתרים berith bayin hebatrim) was an important event in the biblical story of the patriarch Abraham. In this event God revealed himself to Abraham and made a covenant with him (at the site known nowadays as Mount Betarim), in which God announced to Abraham that his descendants would eventually inherit the Land of Israel. This was the first of a series of covenants made between God and the Patriarchs. Wikipedia
    Look into the Picture down below: it is a shadow of the redeemer, Jesus.
    http://www.myjewishlearning.com/wp-c...al-theatre.jpgAttachment 20454
    Last edited by Marta; 01-14-2017 at 01:08 AM.

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