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      Re: Rumsfeld resigning now!

      Of course Rummy just happened to "step down" right after a Category 5 Hurricane destroyed the Republican majority because of the Iraq war.
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      Quote Originally posted by Darth Executor
      Who booted Rumsfeld? CNN said he stepped down.
      That’s a fair point, but you still have a problem. If he’s a “superb leader” at a “crucial time” he shouldn’t step down because he’s deserting the country when it needs a “superb leader” most. Either he agrees with GW and is letting us down, or he disagrees with GW about him being a “superb leader” OR, Bush was just saying that cause to save face.

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      Quote Originally posted by Pitchforkpat
      That’s a fair point, but you still have a problem. If he’s a “superb leader” at a “crucial time” he shouldn’t step down because he’s deserting the country when it needs a “superb leader” most. Either he agrees with GW and is letting us down, or he disagrees with GW about him being a “superb leader” OR, Bush was just saying that cause to save face.
      There are more possibilities than those. He is an army man, sure of himself and with the discipline to handle any criticism. I don't see that kind of guy deciding to just give up. I'm guessing that he decided to drop out if the Republicans didn't do well in the election, perhaps as a symbolic gesture, since the Republicans lost because of Iraq and he took most of the heat for it.

      By the way, I have noticed a large improvement in your posts lately. As a "reward", I'm gonna take you off ignore and put SoundByte there instead.
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      Quote Originally posted by Darth Executor
      There are more possibilities than those. He is an army man, sure of himself and with the discipline to handle any criticism. I don't see that kind of guy deciding to just give up. I'm guessing that he decided to drop out if the Republicans didn't do well in the election, perhaps as a symbolic gesture, since the Republicans lost because of Iraq and he took most of the heat for it.

      By the way, I have noticed a large improvement in your posts lately. As a "reward", I'm gonna take you off ignore and put SoundByte there instead.
      Or, as a symbolic gesture, Bush told him to pack up and leave, after all, Rumsfelf is an army man, sure of himself and with the discipline to handle any criticism or getting fired.

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      Quote Originally posted by Darth Executor
      By the way, I have noticed a large improvement in your posts lately. As a "reward", I'm gonna take you off ignore and put SoundByte there instead.
      Really? That's the best reward I've had in a while. Thanks!
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      Quote Originally posted by Busheses
      Or, as a symbolic gesture, Bush told him to pack up and leave, after all, Rumsfelf is an army man, sure of himself and with the discipline to handle any criticism or getting fired.
      My theory makes more sense than yours and is more inline with Bush's way of thinking. The man rarely admits he did anything wrong or stupid.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

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      Quote Originally posted by Busheses
      If Bush vetoes everything, it would be clear to everybody what has brought this entire country to a complete stop and who the real problem is which would make it easier for the Dems in 2008
      You are assuming that the majority of the public will want everything that the Dems put out. When the Dems call for tax raises, nutty social programs and the like, Americans will be glad that Bush used the veto power.

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      Quote Originally posted by Darth Executor
      By the way, I have noticed a large improvement in your posts lately. As a "reward", I'm gonna take you off ignore and put SoundByte there instead.
      I couldn’t care less whose ignore list I’m on. Frankly I think the practice is childish, but thanks for the info. Oops…that probably got me put back on ignore.

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      Quote Originally posted by Darth Executor
      My theory makes more sense than yours and is more inline with Bush's way of thinking. The man rarely admits he did anything wrong or stupid.
      You are right, he rarely admits to being wrong publicly but this decision was made in private. Unless of course you have insider's infor to which we are not privy but you are.

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      Quote Originally posted by Busheses
      You are right, he rarely admits to being wrong publicly but this decision was made in private. Unless of course you have insider's infor to which we are not privy but you are.
      Dumping Rummy is a public admission, just not vocalized. And I said he rarely admits he is wrong. Nothing about "public", that's your own addition to justify conjuring up a separate private standard. His public face is all I can see so I assume he's equally hard headed in real life until proven otherwise.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

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      Or it could be they know that the Dems will come for Rumsfield so they dump him now and appoint a new guy while the current house and senate still have the power to confirm him thereby taking away that play for the class comming in January.
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      I've been reading up on impeachment and I don't think they can "come for him", or that they would have even tried. Bush could've kept him on. Which isn't to say that the republicans won't benefit. If the new SoD does a good job, the Republicans can claim credit for it, even if the democrats are responsible for an improvement. I don't think this is premeditated because if it was, the Republicans would've dumped him much earlier. Since Karl Rove is an evil genius, I have no doubt he would've thought of it before me.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

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      Quote Originally posted by Darth Executor
      I've been reading up on impeachment and I don't think they can "come for him", or that they would have even tried. Bush could've kept him on. Which isn't to say that the republicans won't benefit. If the new SoD does a good job, the Republicans can claim credit for it, even if the democrats are responsible for an improvement. I don't think this is premeditated because if it was, the Republicans would've dumped him much earlier. Since Karl Rove is an evil genius, I have no doubt he would've thought of it before me.
      We have a self appointed politics expert here in TWeb it seems. Bush should contact you and dump Rove

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      Quote Originally posted by Busheses
      We have a self appointed politics expert here in TWeb it seems. Bush should contact you and dump Rove
      I'd rather become SoD myself, actually. I'd clean up Iraq in weeks.
      "Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.

      The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.

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