Should LOW IQ Persons Be Invountarily STERILIZED

[jordanriver]

Not by law.
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yes it is. (I just caught that, I guess I'm kinda slow)


By law we live in a Capitalist country (5th Amendment "......nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation")
(IOW, individuals are allowed private property in the USA, instead of the collective community owning it)

Capitalism creates competition.
Competition means winners and losers.

Winners are rewarded , Losers are punished.

competition, 'haggling' for example, Low IQ vs High IQ, ....guess who wins

[Cow Poke]

Competition means winners and losers.

Winners are rewarded , Losers are punished.

You do realize this also describes life in general, no? The survival of the fittest, and all that.

[rogue06]

You do realize this also describes life in general, no? The survival of the fittest, and all that.

It is amazing how often that term is misused and misunderstood.

[lilpixieofterror]

Source: IQ TESTING 101 Alan Kaufman PAGE 126

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In America, your hardest working vegetable-picker is not considered worth as much as your laziest doctor, lawyer, bank president

Which again, not everybody with a high IQ is going to be a doctor or lawyer.

[jordanriver]

You do realize this also describes life in general, no? The survival of the fittest, and all that.

not always.

Sometimes the less fit cooperate to overthrow the 'fittest'

Source: NEW SCIENTIST Gang of chimpanzees kills their alpha male

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Source: SCIENCEDAILY How cooperation can trump competition in monkeys

Being the top dog -- or, in this case, the top gelada monkey -- is even better if the alpha male is willing to concede at times to subordinates, according to a new study. Alpha male geladas who allowed subordinate competitors into their group had a longer tenure as leader, resulting in an average of three more offspring each during their lifetimes.

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[jordanriver]

Which again, not everybody with a high IQ is going to be a doctor or lawyer.

I would like to see your reaction when you look up between the stirrups and notice the janitor uniform hidden underneath the doctor's smock

[lilpixieofterror]

I would like to see your reaction when you look up between the stirrups and notice the janitor uniform hidden underneath the doctor's smock

Avoiding will not answer a word I said JR. Not every intelligent person is going to be a doctor or lawyer and one doesn't need to be a doctor or lawyer to be rich.

[Cow Poke]

Avoiding will not answer a word I said JR. Not every intelligent person is going to be a doctor or lawyer and one doesn't need to be a doctor or lawyer to be rich.

Many doctors are so burdened down with school debt and malpractice insurance premiums that they're FAR from "rich".

[lilpixieofterror]

Many doctors are so burdened down with school debt and malpractice insurance premiums that they're FAR from "rich".

Not only that, but your raw IQ score does not determine how successful you're going to be.

[Teallaura]

yes it is. (I just caught that, I guess I'm kinda slow)


By law we live in a Capitalist country (5th Amendment "......nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation")
(IOW, individuals are allowed private property in the USA, instead of the collective community owning it)

Capitalism creates competition.
Competition means winners and losers.

Winners are rewarded , Losers are punished.

competition, 'haggling' for example, Low IQ vs High IQ, ....guess who wins

First, having rules about private property isn't the same as establishing a capitalistic system. I don't know of any 'communist' system w/o private property laws. The Fifth is about legal procedure (due process) and legal rights, not establishing an economic system.

Second, being shunted into an institution isn't a 'solution', either. Communisms have a hideous record where dealing with the mentally impaired is concerned.

[jordanriver]

Not only that, but your raw IQ score does not determine how successful you're going to be.

it determines how unsuccessful you're gonna be.

while not every High IQ is going to be doctor or lawyer or bank president or CPA or Steve Jobs or PhD...

...how many <75 IQs are going to be doctor or lawyer or bank president or Steve Jobs or PhD...

[lilpixieofterror]

it determines how unsuccessful you're gonna be.

while not every High IQ is going to be doctor or lawyer or bank president or CPA or Steve Jobs or PhD...

...how many <75 IQs are going to be doctor or lawyer or bank president or Steve Jobs or PhD...

One doesn't need to be a doctor, lawyer, bank president, etc to be successful. I can introduce you to a few people, with below average IQ's, who are doing quite well for themselves while I can introduce you to those who have a very high IQ who are not. IQ, in of itself, isn't a determining factor in how well off you'll end up being.

[Teallaura]

If everyone is a doctor, who will build the cars?

[jordanriver]

If everyone is a doctor, who will build the cars?

Does God make healers.

(do our talents come from God)

[Catholicity]

In australia a large study of Intellectually disabled parents was done and found that a "low IQ" or intellectual issue WAS NOT a risk factor as to what made a good parent "a good parent." It gathered large amounts of data from Social Services across several Countries including Germany the US and the UK. https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publication...otection-key-i
Here are the ACTUAL identified risk factors

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social isolation;
parental stress;
parents with past histories of being abused or neglected as children;
demographic characteristics such as parental income, education, and employment status;
parental physical and mental health problems;
children with physical or mental health problems, behavioural problems or disability;
parental substance abuse; and
domestic/family violence (Cleaver, Unell, & Aldgate, 1999; Feldman et al., 2002).
The research suggests that to overcome any extra risks that lower income or mental impairment might provide rather than hinder parenting social support should be provided and it should be:
Research suggests that optimal services for parents with an intellectual disability are:

family-centred;
provided over the long-term;
focused on strengths rather than deficits;
home based;
feature participatory rather than relational elements of practice; and
performance rather than knowledge based.

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This makes your point null and void according to the experts who study this, and the answer is a big fat NO. you on the other hand