Are There Any Islamic Controlled Countries That Allow True Freedom Of Religion?

[Good News Man]

Are there any countries that have theocractic or Islamic governments that allow true freedom of Religion? Do any of these countries allow a Muslim person to convert to Christianity and would any of those countries allow that person to freely practice their new religion including the commandment of Christ to "Preach the Gospel" to every creature?

[jason]

No. Even in Turkey that is nominally secular and supposedly has religious freedom, the atmosphere to those attempting to win converts to other religions than islam is greeted with low level hostility.

But what else would you expect ? It is entirely consistent with Islamic theology, that other religions should at best be taxed and put up with, if not crushed outright.

That they are doing it is not surprising.

And it is also entirely consistent with Islamic theology to lie to unbelievers to advance the goals of Islam, which is why in places where you have muslim minorities they will deny such things. Yet the empirical evidence speaks volumes to the contray.

Jason

[Sevivon1913]

Are there any countries that have theocractic or Islamic governments that allow true freedom of Religion? Do any of these countries allow a Muslim person to convert to Christianity and would any of those countries allow that person to freely practice their new religion including the commandment of Christ to "Preach the Gospel" to every creature?

The United Kingdom

[moose7237]

No. Even in Turkey that is nominally secular and supposedly has religious freedom, the atmosphere to those attempting to win converts to other religions than islam is greeted with low level hostility.

But what else would you expect ? It is entirely consistent with Islamic theology, that other religions should at best be taxed and put up with, if not crushed outright.

That they are doing it is not surprising.

And it is also entirely consistent with Islamic theology to lie to unbelievers to advance the goals of Islam, which is why in places where you have muslim minorities they will deny such things. Yet the empirical evidence speaks volumes to the contray.

Jason

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

I'm quite concerned that you are very mistaken about the theology of our religion. It is written in the Quran that any person is free to choose whichever religion they would like. In light of this, how can you say our theology lies to unbelievers??? You can say that the governments of the countries are corrupt but the theology isn't. Find one verse from the Quran that says you force people to follow Islam. I can bring verses from the bible where you are not free to choose your religion. And I'm quite sure you will ignore me once I post the verses just like every other person that tried to say we force religion on people. I hope I made it clear that Islam and what are so called "Islamic Governments" of today are totally different.

[Good News Man]

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

I'm quite concerned that you are very mistaken about the theology of our religion. It is written in the Quran that any person is free to choose whichever religion they would like. In light of this, how can you say our theology lies to unbelievers??? You can say that the governments of the countries are corrupt but the theology isn't. Find one verse from the Quran that says you force people to follow Islam. I can bring verses from the bible where you are not free to choose your religion. And I'm quite sure you will ignore me once I post the verses just like every other person that tried to say we force religion on people. I hope I made it clear that Islam and what are so called "Islamic Governments" of today are totally different.

If the Quran is so wonderful - why do all the Islamic Countries, according to you, violate it and don't follow it??

[anewlife]

If the Quran is so wonderful - why do all the Islamic Countries, according to you, violate it and don't follow it??

That is a good question.

[moose7237]

If the Quran is so wonderful - why do all the Islamic Countries, according to you, violate it and don't follow it??

Hello and Peace be to you friend,
The obvious reasons, powerful people are too much into greed rather than justice. For example, President Bush claims to be a born again, yet look at him, he's not the greatest christian. Look at the KKK, white Christian men, did they follow Christianity or their own interests??? Also, look at the media factor. The media plays a big part in trying to show the worst of Islam.

[Good News Man]

Hello and Peace be to you friend,
The obvious reasons, powerful people are too much into greed rather than justice. For example, President Bush claims to be a born again, yet look at him, he's not the greatest christian. Look at the KKK, white Christian men, did they follow Christianity or their own interests??? Also, look at the media factor. The media plays a big part in trying to show the worst of Islam.

Bad examples. George Bush, the KKK and the media are not the "state," and do not represent a "Theocratic" form of government as one finds in the "Islamic" republics.

What is it about Islam that causes its leaders and followers to think they must control everything and everybody, even much worse than communism ever thought about being???

[moose7237]

Bad examples. George Bush, the KKK and the media are not the "state," and do not represent a "Theocratic" form of government as one finds in the "Islamic" republics.

What is it about Islam that causes its leaders and followers to think they must control everything and everybody, even much worse than communism ever thought about being???

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

Firstly, George Bush is behind the violence in Iraq and was definitely supporting the zionists when they attacked Lebanon. Why didn't he condemn Israel and try to make peace? The KKK is just an example that I used to show that they were not following Christian Theology much like the Muslim extremists. And lastly, yes the media does whatever they can to show the worst of Islam, for you don't see the media making a big deal about Israel beating the heck out of the palestinians. What do you think that would do to the Jewish community???

Whoa! You are mistaken badly. What is it about our government that decides to go in and bombard middle eastern countries??? What is it about Israel trying to take over palestine and Lebanon? What you think they are "terrorists"? If the zionists and america really wanted to get the terrorists, then the troops should be in Saudi Arabia. Also look at North Korea, they actually hit us with a test missle, are we jumping and heading over there? NOPE. Do you see the Muslim leaders going all over the world and try to take everything over? NOPE.

[Good News Man]

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

Firstly, George Bush is behind the violence in Iraq and was definitely supporting the zionists when they attacked Lebanon. Why didn't he condemn Israel and try to make peace? The KKK is just an example that I used to show that they were not following Christian Theology much like the Muslim extremists. And lastly, yes the media does whatever they can to show the worst of Islam, for you don't see the media making a big deal about Israel beating the heck out of the palestinians. What do you think that would do to the Jewish community???

Whoa! You are mistaken badly. What is it about our government that decides to go in and bombard middle eastern countries??? What is it about Israel trying to take over palestine and Lebanon? What you think they are "terrorists"? If the zionists and america really wanted to get the terrorists, then the troops should be in Saudi Arabia. Also look at North Korea, they actually hit us with a test missle, are we jumping and heading over there? NOPE. Do you see the Muslim leaders going all over the world and try to take everything over? NOPE.

"until the religion be all of Allah's"

Yes, I see Islam attempting to take over the entire world. And that is probably the biggest reason why every Islamic country in the world is so intolerant of Christianity.

Jesus wins people by His Love for them. Islam wants to keep people by the Sword.

I've told you want I observe about your religion, now please answer these questions:

1) Why do you think that Islam is the one true religion?

2) Why do you think that your Allah god is the one true God?

[jason]

It is written in the Quran that any person is free to choose whichever religion they would like.

Whatever Islamic clerics think that means, conversion at gun point is still considered "free to choose" based on what we keep seeing over and over.

In light of this, how can you say our theology lies to unbelievers???

No, I said that muslims are free to lie to unbelievers according to "the prophet".

Find one verse from the Quran that says you force people to follow Islam.

Islam has been spread by the sword since its inception, and the Jizya is a way of forcing people to convert.

I can bring verses from the bible where you are not free to choose your religion.

Go ahead. Show me the NT passage, in context that says that. I don't trust you to properly exegete the OT passages in question that you would likely refer too.

And empirical reality speaks volumes as to Islams "tolerance" for other faiths.

The fact that every majority muslim country has laws that call for the death of islamic apostates is more than enough proof of what Islam teaches.

I hope I made it clear that Islam and what are so called "Islamic Governments" of today are totally different.

No they aren't, Islam is a relgio-political system.

And you don't need to look at the islamic governments of today, Islam has been forcing conversion and pressuing conversion, plus killing apostates, since its inception. If you doubt this, then the thing to do is read some history.

Your claims are at odds with historical reality, and either you are simply ignorant of reality or are indulging in the islamic practice of Taqiyya

Jason

[Conductor42]

Please define what you mean by "true" freedom of religion.

As I see it, not even America has "true" freedom of religion.

[jason]

Please define what you mean by "true" freedom of religion.

As I see it, not even America has "true" freedom of religion.

Who is this addressed too ?

What would you consider "true" freedom of religion ?

Somewhere like the US is much much closer to genuine freedom of religion than anywhere else you will find.

Jason

[moose7237]

Whatever Islamic clerics think that means, conversion at gun point is still considered "free to choose" based on what we keep seeing over and over.


No, I said that muslims are free to lie to unbelievers according to "the prophet".


Islam has been spread by the sword since its inception, and the Jizya is a way of forcing people to convert.


Go ahead. Show me the NT passage, in context that says that. I don't trust you to properly exegete the OT passages in question that you would likely refer too.

And empirical reality speaks volumes as to Islams "tolerance" for other faiths.

The fact that every majority muslim country has laws that call for the death of islamic apostates is more than enough proof of what Islam teaches.


No they aren't, Islam is a relgio-political system.

And you don't need to look at the islamic governments of today, Islam has been forcing conversion and pressuing conversion, plus killing apostates, since its inception. If you doubt this, then the thing to do is read some history.

Your claims are at odds with historical reality, and either you are simply ignorant of reality or are indulging in the islamic practice of Taqiyya

Jason

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

1. Listen, I don't care what Islamic clerics do, if they force people to convert, then they are going against the Quran and are hypocrites. Simple as that. Bring me Quranic evidence of force religion. Because I can bring 4 verses that say do not force religion on people.

2. Where did "the prophet" say its ok to lie to unbelievers??? I've never even heard of or seen that.

3. Do you even know what the Jizya is??? Its a tax for non muslim people to live in a muslim state where they are free to practice their religion. All they have to do is give 1000 pieces of clothing to the poor 2 times a year. What happens if someone doesn't pay taxes in America??? Do they go free or are they punished. Now if they don't have the money or clothing to pay the tax then they can pay it when they do without punishment. Jizya is a tax people pay to live in a muslim state its not forcing them to convert. Also, show me where Muhammad or his companions forced religion. DURING HIS TIME. Because people after his time that forced religion are corrupt hypocrites.

4. Ya Ok. Here's the verses about forced religion in the bible:

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

2 Chronicles 15:13

13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.

5. Those countries are hypocritical. I keep saying that. You can't kill people based on their faiths. NOW if one converts and spreads lies about Islam, then I think, I THINK, I'm not to sure, that you are allowed to kill him. But I haven't seen any Quran passages about this. You have to go to trial. Its a crime basically.

6. WOW! you watch what the media shows you about Islam and you think they are showing you what we teach. Pick up the Quran and read it for yourself to see what it teaches.

7. Like I mentioned, Islamic governments today and in Muhammad's time are very different. Today's Muslim governments such as Saudi Arabia are hypocritical and oppressing. The Quran teaches against that.

[Good News Man]

Hello and Peace be to you friend,

1. Listen, I don't care what Islamic clerics do, if they force people to convert, then they are going against the Quran and are hypocrites. Simple as that. Bring me Quranic evidence of force religion. Because I can bring 4 verses that say do not force religion on people.

2. Where did "the prophet" say its ok to lie to unbelievers??? I've never even heard of or seen that.

3. Do you even know what the Jizya is??? Its a tax for non muslim people to live in a muslim state where they are free to practice their religion. All they have to do is give 1000 pieces of clothing to the poor 2 times a year. What happens if someone doesn't pay taxes in America??? Do they go free or are they punished. Now if they don't have the money or clothing to pay the tax then they can pay it when they do without punishment. Jizya is a tax people pay to live in a muslim state its not forcing them to convert. Also, show me where Muhammad or his companions forced religion. DURING HIS TIME. Because people after his time that forced religion are corrupt hypocrites.

4. Ya Ok. Here's the verses about forced religion in the bible:

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

2 Chronicles 15:13

13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.

5. Those countries are hypocritical. I keep saying that. You can't kill people based on their faiths. NOW if one converts and spreads lies about Islam, then I think, I THINK, I'm not to sure, that you are allowed to kill him. But I haven't seen any Quran passages about this. You have to go to trial. Its a crime basically.

6. WOW! you watch what the media shows you about Islam and you think they are showing you what we teach. Pick up the Quran and read it for yourself to see what it teaches.

7. Like I mentioned, Islamic governments today and in Muhammad's time are very different. Today's Muslim governments such as Saudi Arabia are hypocritical and oppressing. The Quran teaches against that.

I've read the Quran and its not nearly as innocent as you proclaim. "Until the religion be all of Allah's." That is the goal of your prophet Muhammad and his Quran.... world domination!

One is either a Muslim or an Infidel. Tell us what your Quran thinks of "Infidels"?