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Teleology of the Universe
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNo, I mean that the fate of the universe is not dependent on the whims of man.
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Originally posted by whag View PostYou've conceded that the whims of Adam are powerful enough to transform the universe from a perpetually sustaining one to one that expands into nothing and runs out of fuel. If no one sinned, God would've had to put the brakes on the process of stars burning fuel and galaxies expanding away from each other. That makes no sense.
Why do you assume that an omnipotent God who created all that exists would somehow be powerless to prevent the destruction of the universe?
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd with that we've come full circle:
Why do you assume that an omnipotent God who created all that exists would somehow be powerless to prevent the destruction of the universe?
The absurdity here is that at what point would God make the universe eternal? After the 400th generation passes the test of being totally perfect? My view is that's a completely unreasonable expectation given that we are animals with the equipment of wild animals (e.g., territoriality, unnecessarily overactive sex drive, inclination to call sisters dumbass--oh wait...that's just a characteristic of our species).
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You, whag, have an amazingly small concept of what God is. But, to be fair, so do a lot of Christians.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostYou, whag, have an amazingly small concept of what God is. But, to be fair, so do a lot of Christians.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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