Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Commentary Thread vs Mikeenders -Did the Exodus take place as described in the Bible

  1. #1
    Professor and Chaplain Littlejoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    North Texas
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    3,790
    Amen (Given)
    1454
    Amen (Received)
    1569

    Commentary Thread vs Mikeenders -Did the Exodus take place as described in the Bible

    Moderated By: Littlejoe

    This is the commentary thread for the debate on the Exodus as described in the Bible, psstein vs. Mikeenders. This debate is scheduled to start Oct. 31, 2015 The debate thread for the participants only is found HERE.

    ***If you wish to take issue with this notice DO NOT do so in this thread.***
    Contact the forum moderator or an administrator in Private Message or email instead. If you feel you must publicly complain or whine, please take it to the Padded Room unless told otherwise.

    "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

    "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

  2. #2
    Professor Cerebrum123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    9,079
    Amen (Given)
    16961
    Amen (Received)
    3355

  3. #3
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Faith
    Christian
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,042
    Amen (Given)
    41
    Amen (Received)
    103
    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    Moderated By: Littlejoe

    This is the commentary thread for the debate on the Exodus as described in the Bible, psstein vs. Mikeenders. This debate is scheduled to start Oct. 31, 2015 The debate thread for the participants only is found HERE.

    ***If you wish to take issue with this notice DO NOT do so in this thread.***
    Contact the forum moderator or an administrator in Private Message or email instead. If you feel you must publicly complain or whine, please take it to the Padded Room unless told otherwise.

    Sorry guys. Seems like there was a misunderstanding probably arising from how I answered your last query (my fault I did not read it carefully) but as I said in the discussion thread

    [quote]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeenders View Post

    Surely you are aware there are different interpretations and identifications regarding various elements of the exodus so simple saying "as the OT records" is a bit ambiguous. For example of the list below I can live with 2 and 4 but 1 and especially 3 is subject to interpretation.



    SO to me its jut better to stick to the basics - presence of Jews in Egypt, after a series of of plagues departure to Canaan with a sojourning in the desert,

    That present premise is just too ambiguous. I can think of three areas right off the cuff where we would spend time debating interpretation. Again my apologies. I never saw Stein respond back SO I was not even sure this was still on and yes when you presented the premise I overlooked that ambiguity discussed before as such.
    Last edited by Mikeenders; 10-28-2015 at 05:24 AM.

  4. #4
    tWebber shunyadragon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Hillsborough, NC
    Faith
    Agnostic
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    12,820
    Amen (Given)
    1251
    Amen (Received)
    870
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeenders View Post
    That present premise is just too ambiguous. I can think of three areas right off the cuff where we would spend time debating interpretation. Again my apologies. I never saw Stein respond back SO I was not even sure this was still on and yes when you presented the premise I overlooked that ambiguity discussed before as such.
    It is unfortunate that this debate could not have proceeded in an orderly and professional manner. I believe that there was a Hebrew community in Egypt, and it is possible and maybe likely that some Hebrews migrated out of Egypt in a smaller scale as a result of a climatic and government crisis. In contrast all the evidence in Judah does not support a large migration of Hebrews in any time frame that fits the Exodus record. The evidence indicates that the tribes of Judah evolved in place as originally pastoral Canaanite tribes in the hills of Judah. There is no evidence for a massive invasion and conquest of the region near the scale described in genesis.

    There is evidence of Egyptian invasion of Canaan and Egyptian settlements and trade in the Canaanite and Judah region
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-22-2016 at 03:08 PM.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

  5. #5
    tWebber
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    California
    Faith
    Unorthodox
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,236
    Amen (Given)
    2521
    Amen (Received)
    136
    What about the Hyksos invasion and conquest of Egypt about this time? Was Joseph Vizier under the Hyksos pharaohs?
    Near the Peoples' Republic of Davis, south of the State of Jefferson (Suspended between Left and Right)

  6. #6
    tWebber shunyadragon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Hillsborough, NC
    Faith
    Agnostic
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    12,820
    Amen (Given)
    1251
    Amen (Received)
    870
    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    What about the Hyksos invasion and conquest of Egypt about this time? Was Joseph Vizier under the Hyksos pharaohs?
    Maybe but not certain, but I would like to see a good thread discussing it. I evaluated the historical evidence in the past concerning Moses and Exodus in the past and found it wanting.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

  7. #7
    tWebber
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Faith
    Roman Catholic
    Gender
    Male
    Posts
    1,575
    Amen (Given)
    235
    Amen (Received)
    620
    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    It is unfortunate that this debate could not have proceeded in an orderly and professional manner. I believe that there was a Hebrew community in Egypt, and it is possible and maybe likely that some Hebrews migrated out of Egypt in a smaller scale as a result of a climatic and government crisis. In contrast all the evidence in Judah does not support a large migration of Hebrews in any time frame that fits the Exodus record. The evidence indicates that the tribes of Judah evolved in place as originally pastoral Canaanite tribes in the hills of Judah. There is no evidence for a massive invasion and conquest of the region near the scale described in genesis.

    There is evidence of Egyptian invasion of Canaan and Egyptian settlements and trade in the Canaanite and Judah region
    I assume you mean in Joshua?

    I'm a supporter of both settlement and internal revolt. Kind of like how the American West was settled.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •