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  • #1

    Adam's rib

    The LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man.
    Genesis 2:21-22 ESV

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Adams-rib.html
    God created man as both male and female on the sixth day. The second chapter of Genesis describes this creation in more detail. First God created Adam.
    The LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
    Genesis 2:7 ESV
    The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
    Leonard Ravenhill
    https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/
    Tags: adam, adam's rib, androgyny, eve
  • #2
    Wow.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      . . . androgynous . . .
      No.

      Man even today has an X and Y chromosome.
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #4
        ... That is one theory. He could have been a hermaphrodite, I've never heard that claim before, and I think its an odd one unsubstantiated by Scripture, or Tradition.
        Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
          ... That is one theory. He could have been a hermaphrodite, I've never heard that claim before, and I think its an odd one unsubstantiated by Scripture, or Tradition.
          It might not be clearly taught in Scripture but there is plenty of traditional support. Just do a search for "was adam androgynous" and see how many results you get.
          The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
          Leonard Ravenhill
          https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/

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          • #6
            Originally posted by theophilus View Post
            It might not be clearly taught in Scripture but there is plenty of traditional support. Just do a search for "was adam androgynous" and see how many results you get.
            "Tradition", as in Church Tradition? Or simply "common theories"? I'm guessing that Pent used a Capital T on purpose when he mentioned Tradition.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              "Tradition", as in Church Tradition? Or simply "common theories"? I'm guessing that Pent used a Capital T on purpose when he mentioned Tradition.
              Mostly Jewish tradition. I have found several sites which said that some Jewish teachers have thought that Adam was androgynous.
              The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
              Leonard Ravenhill
              https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by theophilus View Post
                Mostly Jewish tradition. I have found several sites which said that some Jewish teachers have thought that Adam was androgynous.
                Ah, in some Jewish [and the occult] teaching you can find the teaching that G-d is androgynous.
                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  "Tradition", as in Church Tradition? Or simply "common theories"? I'm guessing that Pent used a Capital T on purpose when he mentioned Tradition.
                  Indeed, I was referring to "Church Tradition" not any sort of midrash or kabbalistic ideas. Jewish background knowledge can often be helpful, but rarely such obscure theories even within Judaism.

                  To 37818, I have heard Christians express that God is more than male or female, but has revealed Himself primarily in the form of a Father, and a Son, but is not worried about His Scriptures sometimes portraying Him as possessing feminine aspects, and is in some way both male and female and I have no issue with this theology as I have heard it taught, but Adam being a hermaphrodite prior to Eve is something else entirely imo.
                  Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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                  • #10
                    Is my face red! Here I was telling KG over in Christianity 201, "Sinlessness", that he should not expect any reply from you because the Rapture just happened today at the start of All Saints Day, November 1. But you didn't get raptured after all. (Maybe your face should be red also.)
                    Near the Peoples' Republic of Davis, south of the State of Jefferson (Suspended between Left and Right)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pentecost View Post

                      To 37818, I have heard Christians express that God is more than male or female, but has revealed Himself primarily in the form of a Father, and a Son, but is not worried about His Scriptures sometimes portraying Him as possessing feminine aspects, and is in some way both male and female and I have no issue with this theology as I have heard it taught, but Adam being a hermaphrodite prior to Eve is something else entirely imo.
                      Please give me one example of such a Christian group. So I may check it out. Thanks.
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                        Please give me one example of such a Christian group. So I may check it out. Thanks.
                        I do not know if there are any groups, I just know I've heard it expressed, most recently by the assistant academic dean of my Bible College during a lecture on the Holy Spirit he called Him, "Her" and when students expressed surprise the professor pointed out some OT Scriptures where God is portrayed with feminine aspects, I recall that he said something about the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 when the Spirit is resting over the waters that it has a connotation of a mother hen resting over her eggs or something close to that, its been a few weeks and I do not think I wrote it down anywhere because it won't be on an exam haha

                        rstrats, I do not pay attention to false prophets who rumor monger about the day and the hour so I had no idea what you were talking about until I looked it up.
                        Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
                          I do not know if there are any groups, I just know I've heard it expressed, most recently by the assistant academic dean of my Bible College during a lecture on the Holy Spirit he called Him, "Her" and when students expressed surprise the professor pointed out some OT Scriptures where God is portrayed with feminine aspects, I recall that he said something about the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2 when the Spirit is resting over the waters that it has a connotation of a mother hen resting over her eggs or something close to that, its been a few weeks and I do not think I wrote it down anywhere because it won't be on an exam haha
                          The Hebrew for "Spirit" is feminine.
                          So the two spirits, wisdom and understanding are to be called sister and kinswoman (Proverbs 7:4).

                          That does not make the Holy Spirit a Her.

                          "The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem." -- Ecclesiastes 1:1. The word translated "Preacher" is feminine and refers to David's son Solomon.
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • #14
                            Some time ago I wound up subscribing to some bible archeology thing... they had a freebie ebook that I thought might be interesting to read, been getting emails ever since. Anyhow, some article that they linked to had someone postulating that it was not Adam's rib but rather his... penis bone. I don't really feel like looking up the article, but in case any one wants to read about this rather... weird thing that I did not know existed, have at it. Wikipedia makes mention of this theory also.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baculum

                            It certainly would be an interesting twist on the subject.

                            No Silicon Heaven? Preposterous! Where would all the calculators go?

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