The Resurrection is what makes the Crucifixion more than just a random guy getting killed for annoying the religious leaders. If it weren't for what happened on Easter Sunday, none of us would have even heard of Jesus of Nazareth, agreed?
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Originally posted by Pentecost View PostI was in a class on the theology and practice of Evangelism, and so naturally one of the first topics of discussion was, "What is the Good News?" Every student worked with one or two others to come up with something to share, and the teacher wrote them all down and then we took that and put it together and then compared it with a much better definition, but I recall that almost everyone mentioned the Cross, and almost no one the Resurrection, there were a few mentions of the perfect life, and none of the virgin birth.sigpic
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Originally posted by heartablaze View PostOk, that's interesting. So it's not just my experience, but other people have experienced that. I definitely forget to mention the virgin birth a lot. Why do you think they/we forget?If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Yeah, maybe we do just take it for granted that people know all of those details. In American culture, there is definitely that background, although I feel like it's getting less and less. Talking with internationals about the gospel has given me a different take on it, because I never know if they have that background, so I try to tell the complete story, even going back to the fact that there is one God.sigpic
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd we don't have to tell them everything we know in the process of winning them to Christ -- that's "evangelism". Then there's "discipleship".
At the same time, when someone makes that first step to follow Christ, I think they need to know what they're buying into, at least a foundational knowledge. Do you agree? If so, what would that foundational knowledge be?sigpic
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Originally posted by heartablaze View PostDefinitely! And every time we share the gospel we won't be able to tell the whole gospel.
At the same time, when someone makes that first step to follow Christ, I think they need to know what they're buying into, at least a foundational knowledge. Do you agree? If so, what would that foundational knowledge be?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Ok so in talking with some friends, I think the lack of teaching the Resurrection of Christ is the teaching of penal substitionary atonement that goes back to the Reformation:
Originally posted by TheopediaPenal substitutionary atonement refers to the doctrine that Christ died on the cross as a substitute for sinners. God imputed the guilt of our sins to Christ, and he, in our place, bore the punishment that we deserve. This was a full payment for sins, which satisfied both the wrath and the righteousness of God, so that He could forgive sinners without compromising His own holy standard.sigpic
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Yes, I remember some preacher said Good Friday really is the good day, making salvation possible. Jesus's life and Resurrection seemed irrelevant to him.Near the Peoples' Republic of Davis, south of the State of Jefferson (Suspended between Left and Right)
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