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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by robertb View PostWTF?
I think we are done.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by robertb View PostMy view on time is that the past and future are real and that the present is relative - the past and future exist eternally in a static universe.
That said, your discussion of cause and effect is not relevant to my position.
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Originally posted by robertb View PostI think that the universe is eternal, but I don't know if that means that it is also necessarily infinite - could be.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAmazing that someone can get so snotty about "nothing."Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI have asked 37818 to clarify his objections to 'Robert G. Brown's assertion?,' but at present he has failed to do so.
Robert G. Brown is at Duke near where I live and I have listened to his lectures.
Nothing more need be said about that usage.
The fact that all arguments start with unproven or unprovable premises or if you prefer assertions. <--- Even that statement is guilty of that.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostI do not agree with the use of the term "bull****."
Nothing more need be said about that usage.
The fact that all arguments start with unproven or unprovable premises or if you prefer assertions. <--- Even that statement is guilty of that.
I haven't found a way around it, though. I think there might be some things that we can confidently say without worrying about unprovable premises, but it's a very short list. "Cogito ergo sum" is the only one I can think of offhand, and even that would need to be reworded somewhat.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by robertb View PostI think that the universe is eternal, but I don't know if that means that it is also necessarily infinite - could be.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf the universe isn't infinite, then what would you call that which the universe is bounded by. Nothing? How would you define nothing in that sense? Anyway, if the universe is eternal, then you don't believe it had a cause, correct?
I do not believe that the universe has a "cause", as I said, I think it is eternal.
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Originally posted by robertb View PostI don't know if the universe is infinite. If it is not, then what lies north from the north pole?
I do not believe that the universe has a "cause", as I said, I think it is eternal.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI've heard that analogy before robert, but it isn't an apt analogy in this case because we know what is north of the north pole, and it isnt nothing, the earth is within and a part of a greater whole, the universe.
Okay, I must have lost track, I thought you were arguing just the opposite, that the universe had a cause.
But again, if it didn't have a cause, then though our patch of spacetime, with respect to itself may be finite, but with respect to existence as a whole, it must be infinite.
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Originally posted by robertb View PostI suppose that a theist might, if they believed that the universe required a sustaining cause, try to claim that the universe is co-eternal with a sustaining cause. That said, I view the universe as static (in the sense I have been using) thus the universe does not need to come into or be held in existence from moment to moment - no cause required.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by robertb View PostThe necessity of a sustaining cause may have made perfect sense at the times the Scriptures were being written.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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