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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostYes you did. You quoted me saying "eradicate religion". I wrote no such thing either on this thread or in that blog post I linked you to. You're being dishonest and now you're lying to get out of it. I challenge you to find where I wrote "eradicate religion" anywhere on this thread.
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That seems pretty clear cut. Destroy and eradicate are certainly close enough synonyms here that you owe Carrikature an apology."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostYes you did. You quoted me saying "eradicate religion". I wrote no such thing either on this thread or in that blog post I linked you to. You're being dishonest and now you're lying to get out of it. I challenge you to find where I wrote "eradicate religion" anywhere on this thread.
I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I said. I do not use " " in an attempt to portray direct quotes. I use the quote and cite functions for that. It is why we have them, after all. There is no lying here nor is there any possible benefit to me to do so. I don't care that much. I paraphrased what I took to be your meaning from the things you said. You haven't bothered to challenge that meaning; you're just mad about how I expressed it. Do so if you wish, but don't expect me to care.
For what it's worth, you should be careful with accusations of lying on this website. Once upon a time, the rules required demonstrating the lie in the same post where you call someone a liar. Mods have been pretty lax about enforcing that afaict, but I don't think the rule has changed. In this particular case, you can't demonstrate me to be lying because I wasn't. Miscommunication happens, but that doesn't mean one party is lying.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually many criminals in prisons claim to be very religious, either Christian or Jesus.
is not meaningful.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
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That seems pretty clear cut. Destroy and eradicate are certainly close enough synonyms here that you owe Carrikature an apology.Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I said. I do not use " " in an attempt to portray direct quotes. I use the quote and cite functions for that. It is why we have them, after all. There is no lying here nor is there any possible benefit to me to do so. I don't care that much. I paraphrased what I took to be your meaning from the things you said. You haven't bothered to challenge that meaning; you're just mad about how I expressed it. Do so if you wish, but don't expect me to care.
For what it's worth, you should be careful with accusations of lying on this website. Once upon a time, the rules required demonstrating the lie in the same post where you call someone a liar. Mods have been pretty lax about enforcing that afaict, but I don't think the rule has changed. In this particular case, you can't demonstrate me to be lying because I wasn't. Miscommunication happens, but that doesn't mean one party is lying.Blog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostPoor creatures! Haven't they been punished enough?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis is questionable.
It doesn't explain it because you're not looking at what's actually happening. What you should be asking is "what are people being imprisoned for[/URL]?" Currently, ~48% are in federal prison for drug related offenses at the federal level, and ~16% at the state level. Drug-use and religion aren't mutually exclusive (thought most religious will frown on drug-use, I don't know that it's specifically forbidden).
You should also be looking at contributing factors, like income disparity and ethnicity. Correlation is not causation. The percentage of religious people in the US and relative rates of incarceration aren't remotely related, but you're sticking them together as if they were.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThere aren't real numbers on it. Conversions while incarcerated are really high, though, which would pretty much indicate that pre-incarceration numbers are low. In truth, 'religious' is much too broad, as one can identify as religious without identifying with a specific religion. More to the point, people following the tenets of their religion aren't likely to be committing crimes that are specifically prohibited by their religion.
It doesn't explain it because you're not looking at what's actually happening. What you should be asking is "what are people being imprisoned for[/URL]?" Currently, ~48% are in federal prison for drug related offenses at the federal level, and ~16% at the state level. Drug-use and religion aren't mutually exclusive (thought most religious will frown on drug-use, I don't know that it's specifically forbidden).
You should also be looking at contributing factors, like income disparity and ethnicity. Correlation is not causation. The percentage of religious people in the US and relative rates of incarceration aren't remotely related, but you're sticking them together as if they were.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . and Napoleon won the Battle of Waterloo!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostI wonder if it's possible to make a less relevant claim and still remain on topic. Your personal history of crime doesn't have anything to do with incarceration rates. Even at a 95% incarceration rate, there would still be ~16 million Americans that had never seen jail time.
Originally posted by Tazzy WazzyExcept that the one country in the prosperous, developed world where Christianity is still taken seriously is the USA and the US ranks as one of the most violent, inequitable societies in the west with the highest rate of incarceration."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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