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The Islamic State as a religious organization
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βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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The article is speculative and not based on research or facts on the ground.
...as far as I can tell...there are 2 claims made by the article 1)ISIS is "very Islamic" and medieval 2) It (ISIS) follows something called a "prophetic methodology".
Personally---it seems to me, it is more "Zionist" /Christian Zionist than anything else....from what little I know about Christian Zionism---it apparently has elements of Prophesy (fortune-telling), apocalypse, territory...etc....
Others have commented both Al-Qaeda and ISIS are "very Modern"--their views resemble Modern (Secular) thinkers such as Sam Harris, Micheal Walzer, John Rawls....etc. For example....
Sam Harris has written---Some propositions are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for beleiving them"....and..."we will continue to spill blood in what is, at bottom, a war of ides"
which is basicallly the same sentiment as ISIS who also believe that there is only one right "Beleif" and it is "ethical" to kill anyone who holds a different view in "a war of ideas"....Walzer also condones the killing of innocent people (innocent others) for the sake of one's own political community in his book "Just and Unjust wars: a moral argument with historical illustrations". John Rawls advocates for a "Supreme Emergency Exemption" that would free people from the Christian doctrine of "Just war" ---that forbids the taking of innocent lives/civilian casualties in war---so that "Liberal democracies" can do so....
In other words---these are MODERN SECULAR philosophers who want to defend their "way of life" by terrorism.....
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3542961?...n_tab_contents
The other point about "Prophetic Methodology"---Islam as a religion has gone through 1,400 years of development---it has always been a dynamic religion---proof of that is the "Golden Age" period. I have no idea what this "Prophetic Methodology" might refer to---since I do not visit ISIS sites---but propaganda IS propaganda---No propaganda ever represents any real philosophy because the essence of propaganda is simplistic, reductionist, revisionist sound-bites---whereas philosophical thought tends to be complex, sophisticated, nuanced expressions and world-view.
!,400 years of Islamic philosophical ideas and debates cannot be reduced to ISIS propaganda....it is unrealistic....
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