January 2007 Screwballs

[jpholding]

I'm adding this from him as well:

The gospels and scriptures of the bible were altered dramatically by the early church. Augustine, Jerome and Ambrose added and subtracted from them at will. They left in what they though fitted and erased what they thought didn't.
Your bible is not the 'word of god' but the word of Augustine and Jerome.

We don't even know who wrote the gospels and none were written at the time of Jesus. They are all copies. If they were written by the likes of Mark and John then Mark would have been 70 years old and John would have been about 110 years old. Highly unlikely for a time when the average life span was 30 years.

As for eye witness accounts.....Paul doesn't even mention meeting Jesus in his Epistles.

This is an example of why I don't tread in Apol 301 right now. The idiocy is so mind-numbing that it would turn the planet Vulcan into a funny farm.

[sylvius]

This belongs in the Screwballs proper :

hey, Sevi, are you trying to get into in JPH's good books?

[Sevivon1913]

hey, Sevi, are you trying to get into in JPH's good books?

Well, it is strange to claim you told Jesus about 666, lol......!

[Jnthn]

I had no idea such people existed in Britain. God have mercy.

Which god is it this week?

J

[Sevivon1913]

Which god is it this week?

J

God, duh.

[Meta Knight]

Rook Hawkins gets one today, in response to P-Dunn linking him to JP's article on the definition of "faith" in the Bible:

Okay, let me clue you in on JP Holding, because you're obviously under the impression that he knows something. REAL historians don't trust Holding, and with good reason.

*snipped quoting of Richard Carrier and Robert Price*


These are a mere few of the dozens of articles I could have drawn from to show Holding's inability to be honest, and most importantly, his inability to do any real independant research. Instead he throws around ad hominem attacks and dodges points, seems to make up arguments out of thin air, and when he doesn't want to do deal with somebody who actually knows what they are talking about - he sends his cronies like Frank Walton after them with nothing but slander and false accusations. That leaves Holding in the clear for Walton and others to take the blunt of everything (which is really unfair to them) and although they should know better - they can get into a lot of trouble in this manner.

And for the record, JP Holding has an open invitation to come on the Rational Response Squad when we get together to record and debate me - however for some reason he never actually acknowledges this challenge to him, and instead insists we haven't put it out there. So much for the honesty of Holding. But back to the point.

Your definition of faith is very slanted and uneducated.

Faith (American Heritage Dictionary)
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.

Keep digging.

Yes Rook, we all define Greek words with English dictionaries, too.

[jpholding]

Reminder to self -- pladecalvo as nominee for 2007 TWeb Platinum Noob.

I've been looking over at that thread again. I really shouldn't. It's not good for me.

[Sparko]

Reminder to self -- pladecalvo as nominee for 2007 TWeb Platinum Noob.

I've been looking over at that thread again. I really shouldn't. It's not good for me.

did you like my ciaphas diary entry? I hoped that convinced him.

[Jnthn]

God, duh.

How do you explain your frequently changing faith icon? World's slowest animated .GIF?

J

[Sevivon1913]

How do you explain your frequently changing faith icon? World's slowest animated .GIF?

J

I haven't ceased to be Jewish.

[Sparko]

I haven't ceased to be Jewish.

Judging by your expressed beliefs, I am more Jewish than you are. The Jewish members here on tweb even said your faith is not in align with Judaism.

[jpholding]

did you like my ciaphas diary entry? I hoped that convinced him.

It was great. Too good for him.

[Sparko]

there is no way to even describe this other than posting a link and having you read the first 9 posts...

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ad.php?t=90742

[jpholding]

Got an email from this screwball, promoting his book:

http://www.amazon.com/Divine-Truth-H...e=UTF8&s=books

I searched for refs to the big scholars on this subject, Bauckham and Witherington -- nope. I wrote back telling him he wasn't qualified and got an email worthy of a Screwball Award:

These comments only verify that arrogance is the prevailing spirit behind so many traditional orthodox doctrines. This attitude is dissapointing but extremely common.

I have read numerous books written in defense of the Trinity. I simply chose to interact with some of the most well-known and respected, contemporary theologians in the evangelical world. James White may be the most active protestant apologist in the world (50+ debates). I highly doubt that Baukham's and Witherington's arguments are much different than any of the scholars I interact with. I have been studying this issue for quite some time. I'm very familiar with all of the arguments used to support the Trinity. This subject is not a mystery. Hundreds, if not thousands, of books have been written on this subject. But I'd be happy to look into the ones you mention.

I should point out that it is very difficult to understand how you could describe me as "another unqualified person who has no idea what he's talking about." These comments do nothing to futher your own credibility, as you have not even read the book and do not even know who I am. To simply denounce another person because they do not agree with your theological conclusions is very easy. It obviously takes much more effort to deal with the material and evidence the other person presents. I have no problem with you disagreeing with me or others on this or any other subject (you don't even know what my positive beliefs are), but I encourage you, for the future, to do so with humility, gentleness and respect, as the Scriptures themselves instruct us.

His degree, by the way, is a Bachelor's in history.

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

there is no way to even describe this other than posting a link and having you read the first 9 posts...

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ad.php?t=90742

ooooooooookay.