Jesus Myth - The Case Against Historical Christ

[lilpixieofterror]

Hey, a girl that takes no guff is a good thing. Dumber is lucky Mrs H doesn't tread the Net....she'd rip his little head off and use it as a hockey puck.

I do that all the time...

And all my toon heroines are strong personalities, too. We really gotta get you addicted to those, Crystal. It's the one thing you lack.

I've read some of them... I'd still like to know why I'm a Prycenes or Tilkrig though...

Hey, wait a minute! How come only the idiotic skeptics get invited to ask Crystal out? I demand equal time for intelligent Christians!!

Ummm... there is also Storico...

PS: Don't worry, Crys, I'm not serious. You're young enough to be my granddaughter. I think. Except on those days when I'm feeling really old.

I'm 22, going to be 23 in October. Just imangine how good I'll be at this in 10 years.

[The Curtmudgeon]

I'm 22, going to be 23 in October.

Remind me in September, and I'll bake you a cake. At my age, memory is the second thing to go, and I forget what the first one was.

Just imangine how good I'll be at this in 10 years.

Don't even start my mind going there....

The (all in good fun) Curtmudgeon

[lilpixieofterror]

Remind me in September, and I'll bake you a cake. At my age, memory is the second thing to go, and I forget what the first one was.

Ok Regan...

Don't even start my mind going there....

Ok, I woun't.

[jpholding]

I've read some of them... I'd still like to know why I'm a Prycenes or Tilkrig though...

Prycenes are the primary warrior race while Tilkrig are the techies of that world. You seem to have attributes of both.

[JB]

Hey, wait a minute! How come only the idiotic skeptics get invited to ask Crystal out? I demand equal time for intelligent Christians!!

Ummm... there is also Storico...

She was invited to ask you out as well?















(This is the part where I do my best to escape intact... )

[Sparko]

Me and Nick were just discussing that today!

Edited to add: Opps, maybe I should correct myself to say:

Nick and myself were just discussing that today.

I want to keep bumbler off my back....

Not to mention he is not too bright to pick on someone who has access to hand grenades, M-16s and cruise missiles.

(yes, Member, that was a joke)

[Soundsurfr]

Yeah, and unlike Christianity, those myths are generally not widely accepted (i.e. the majority of the population regards them as myths) and tend to have very short lived success among a handful of devotees (i.e. Heaven's Gate) or exist on the fringes of society (i.e. conspiracy theorists).

Gee, is this the "if it's widely accepted then it's true" argument, or the "there are no widely accepted myths" argument?

[jpholding]

Not to mention he is not too bright to pick on someone who has access to hand grenades, M-16s and cruise missiles.

(yes, Member, that was a joke)

Yeah, well, be careful not to threaten him with 1 ton weights or TNT. He's likely to have a coronary.

[Sparko]

Yeah, well, be careful not to threaten him with 1 ton weights or TNT. He's likely to have a coronary.

i wonder if he will get the aclu to sue tweb if we sick Mossy on him with her rolling pin:

Or if I use my cannon on him? :cannon:

[lilpixieofterror]

i wonder if he will get the aclu to sue tweb if we sick Mossy on him with her rolling pin:

Or if I use my cannon on him?

I guess I shouldn't use my light saber either :lsaber:

[Scruffy]

I cannot disagree more. When I say I am a follower of Christ, I do not mean that I am a follower of a set of ideas. I mean that I am a follower of a person and I cannot separate the teachings from the person in this case. What I claim to believe is that the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity (You know the Nicene description of course) came down, took on flesh, lived among humanity, was crucified, and physically rose again in a glorified body.

"Because I live, you will live also."

If the history is not there, then we can say Jesus taught X number of doctrines, but what did he teach in that case that others do not so that even the calendar is based on him? No. Cut away the historical person of Jesus and you have nothing extraordinary left. Jesus becomes nothing unique but merely commonplace.

I am a follower of ideas that legendary figures such as Jesus symbolize. For me, mythology is like a cathedral organ through which the resonations of dozens of separate pipes is fused into the same harmonious song. "The Song of World-Mythology." It's a shame that some Christians won't let themselves hear it.

To describe the Bible as myth is not to debunk it!

It's a shame that for some, many elements of the Bible must be reguarded as dogmatic historical fact, rather than as metaphorical representations of spiritual realities, in order to carry meaning.

To insist on historical, factual interpretations is to loose part of it's meaning.

Failure to recognize the metaphorical nature of sacred text is at the heart of religious strife, intolerance, fundamentalism, violence. No true believer will find their faith diminished by learning to read myth and metaphor.

[lilpixieofterror]

I am a follower of ideas that legendary figures such as Jesus symbolize. For me, mythology is like a cathedral organ through which the resonations of dozens of separate pipes is fused into the same song. The Song of World-Mythology. It's a shame that some Christians won't let themselves hear it.

I don't accept nonsense and that's the problem. The fact you need to tell people to ignore details should speak all by itself.

To describe the Bible as myth is not to debunk it.

Unfortionaly, the only people I find calling it a myth are those just as biased and closed minded as they accuse Christians of being. I have found no reason to accept the Christ myth theory, because it's stupid and takes more faith to believe than I'm willing to give.

It's a shame that for some, many elements of the Bible must be reguarded as historical fact, rather than as metaphorical representations of spiritual realities, in order to carry meaning.

It's said that you need to pass off answering questions with lame attempts to avoid seeing the conclusion that you are wrong. Christianity rest upon history, The Gospels and the rest of the Bible carry plenty of metaphorical reps of spirituality as well as history.

Failure to recognize the metaphorical nature of sacred text is at the heart of religious strife, intolerance, fundamentalism, violence.

Nonsense, there are Christians all over the world who have done some very good and wonderful things. The cause of religious strife and violence is the evil of men...

No true believer will find their faith diminished by learning to read myth and metaphor.

Like I said above, I can not accept your nonsense because I have to ignore too many things. It is clear in the NT as well as the early Christians, nobody thought the NT was anything less than written history. Why you must ignore this fact... I don't know...

Crystal

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

No, all you need is a Metal Gear. That'll take care of any problem(unless it happens to be named Snake or Raiden).

(btw we need a 'metal gear' smiley)

[jpholding]

Failure to recognize the metaphorical nature of sacred text is at the heart of religious strife, intolerance, fundamentalism, violence. No true believer will find their faith diminished by learning to read myth and metaphor.

So we should make up stuff about it and ignore the genre and other evidence just to make people like you who have their heads stuffed with cotton happy?

Try that with the Annals of Tacitus, or his bio of Agricola, or the epistles of Pliny sometime, and see how many laughs you get.

[member11491]

Aren't there any moderators on this forum? I'm getting sick of insults.

Hey Scruffy,

This is the same trick they pull on anyone who comes here to ask a question. This is not a serious discussion forum at all, it's more like Jerry Springer. They know all the facts surrounding the mythology of Jesus, but make excuse after excuse to clean up the mess.

Here are their tactics:
1) any source who disagrees with them gets their information from "a milk carton" or something similar
2) they use Ad hominem attacks constantly. When you finally break down and bring yourself to their level, they act surprised as if you started it.
3) everything else is referred to one of their craptastic essays or "christian-thinktank.com". They are not really trying to seek any kind of truth, only fanatics (crystal et all) and hucksters (JP "$36 bucks a CD" the hutt).

Trying to reason with them is futile. If they were rational at all, they wouldn't be religious fanatics in the first place.

If you want to read any kind of rational debate go to iidb.org, although you'd just be preaching to the choir over there.

You can also go to my discussion forum at jesusneverexisted.org, but again you'd be preaching to the choir.

Stay cool!

p.s. If you stick around long enough here you'll read some real gems. My favorites usually involve these people patting themselves on the back as if they are some kind of intellectuals. My favorite was when the Hutt referred to himself as some kind of "scholarship mountain". I agreed with the mountain part. Or when lilangel brags about how smart she thinks she is. It's a little like babysitting 13 year old kids in that way.