Mark 16:9

[rstrats]

Does anyone know of a quote from a published author who has used Mark 16:9 to support a first day of the week resurrection which in turn they used - at least in part - to justify the establishment of the first day of the week as a special day for rest and worship?

[Kenite]

Does anyone know of a quote from a published author who has used Mark 16:9 to support a first day of the week resurrection which in turn they used - at least in part - to justify the establishment of the first day of the week as a special day for rest and worship?

No-one has ever done that. Despite the strong desire of false teachers to protect themselves from exposure as false in daily Christian fellowship, that has never been achieved.

[rstrats]

Kenite,


re: “No-one has ever done that. Despite the strong desire of false teachers to protect themselves from exposure as false in daily Christian fellowship, that has never been achieved. “


That no-one has offered a first day resurrection as a reason for Sunday rest and worship or that no-one has quoted Mark 16:9 as proof of a first day resurrection?

[James Peter]

I've not seen it for sunday 'rest and worship' (i.e. a sunday sabbath) but I think it is relatively common conjuncture that the reason the earliest Church met on the first day, which they called 'The Lord's Day' is because that is the day when they believed the resurrection to have occured. Don't have any specific sources for you and I wouldn't personally want to base anything exclusively off the 'longer ending' of Mark

[Kenite]

Kenite,


re: “No-one has ever done that. Despite the strong desire of false teachers to protect themselves from exposure as false in daily Christian fellowship, that has never been achieved. “


That no-one has offered a first day resurrection as a reason for Sunday rest and worship or that no-one has quoted Mark 16:9 as proof of a first day resurrection?

No-one has ever justified the establishment of the first day of the week as a special day for rest and worship.

[rstrats]

I've not seen it for sunday 'rest and worship' (i.e. a sunday sabbath) but I think it is relatively common conjuncture that the reason the earliest Church met on the first day, which they called 'The Lord's Day' is because that is the day when they believed the resurrection to have occured. Don't have any specific sources for you and I wouldn't personally want to base anything exclusively off the 'longer ending' of Mark

James Peter,


re: “Don't have any specific sources for you and I wouldn't personally want to base anything exclusively off the 'longer ending' of Mark”


Nor would I. The reason I asked the question is that a poster on another forum, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.


I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a doctrinal teaching that uses verse 9 - in those translations that place the comma after week - to support a Sunday resurrection that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As these translations have it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection for the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: “Quote a published author who has done that.” - I have not yet been able to come up with one, hence my query here on TWC.

[rstrats]

Kenite,


re: “No-one has ever justified the establishment of the first day of the week as a special day for rest and worship.”

How about "try to justify”?

[Kenite]

Kenite,


re: “No-one has ever justified the establishment of the first day of the week as a special day for rest and worship.”

How about "try to justify”?

Oh, yes. The number is countless!

[God_is_personal]

"Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons." (Mark 16:9)

So, it does say Jesus rose on the first day of the week. This would correspond to the first day of God's work of creation. So...possibly His resurrection starting early on this "work" day could mean the beginning of God's WORK of the Kingdom of the New Covenant. So, it could mean WORK on this day, that God's WORK of the resurrection was on the first day! And He rested in the grave on the Sabbath, I suppose people could say. So, the WORK of the resurrection on "Sunday" does NOT necessarily mean Sunday should be a day of rest...I NOW consider...didn't think of this until right while I was preparing this post!

But, I notice, how Mary Magdalene was the first person to whom Jesus appeared. Yes, she was a woman...out of whom He had cast seven demons. So, Jesus had given her rest in a way much more than He had given anyone else, I can see...by casting seven devils out of her. So, she was a person of more rest, than anyone else, and she is the FIRST one who saw Jesus who is the giver of rest to the soul (Matthew 11:28-30).

He says the one who is forgiven much will love much, but the one forgiven little will love little, in so many words, I'd say, in Luke 7:36-50. So, I can see that correspondingly she who was delivered of seven demons would love Him more than the disciples did, and she had more rest for her soul, perhaps, than they did; and so she was the one appropriate to see Him FIRST, since she would appreciate Jesus the most.

[James Peter]

So, it does say Jesus rose [COLOR=Sienna]on the first day of the week.

Not necessarily. It is entirely valid to translate the verse as "After he had risen
he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from who he had cast out seven demons, on the morning of the first sabbath."

Anyway rstrats the problem is that long before Mark 16:9 was written the Church was meeting on the first day of the week so saying that they did so on the basis of this verse would be kinda dishonest.

[Kenite]

the Church was meeting on the first day of the week

How honest is that?

[James Peter]

How honest is that?

All the evidence we have suggests that the early Church, at least as soon as it had moved beyong Judea, met and worshipped on the first day. Certainly there were factions who argued that the gentiles should also keep the sabbath but as early as the late 40s that position was fiercely argued against.

[Howie]

Sadly it is all conjecture. It might be as simple as the possibility that 1st Century “Jewish Christians” did not want to create friction with the larger more orthodox Jewish population, therefore they did not gather on the Sabbath, but actually may have participated in the Sabbath and then gathered with other “Jewish Christians” the day after. The day may be more based in the socio/psycho/theological tenor of the times than any other issue.

All the best.

[Kenite]

All the evidence we have

Which is?

[James Peter]

Scattered inferences from various NT texts and then Pliny's letter to Trajan.