Mark 16:9

[Daniel7:14]

rs,

One little note:

While John says, "...it was still dark, the other three Gospels declare that it was, "...early in the......morning....".

Bless

[rstrats]

Daniel7:14.

re: “...permit me to express it in this manner...”


OK, just so you realize that your comment - “ with the Sunday morning resurrection, it would be 8 days from his triumphal entry” - was incorrect.

[Rdr. Arsenios]

While John says, "...it was still dark, the other three Gospels declare that it was, "...early in the......morning....".

Two ways of denoting the same time...

Arsenios

[Daniel7:14]

Geo,

You are correct. I have been outdoors "early" of the morning, and while I watched that first light begin to appear in the Eastern sky...........I looked to the West and saw that stars were still visible against the night sky. John"s account is for those who see the glass "half-empty" (or vice-versa). All the Gospels agree.

Yet, the reason for "light" being necessary was so that it would be the 3rd day. As you look in Genesis you will note that the "day" became complete with the on-set of the second component, which was "day" (light).

"...the evening and the........Morning.........were the 3rd day..."

RS,

Sometimes when people say something.....not everyone understands. Having the opportunity to state the same thing...another way...often leads to better comprehension. That is what I attempted to do in my last response to you...present the point another way. Apparently you have missed both my explanations.

I shall try again.

The "evening" began a...NEW...day. You can look at Genesis and see that the "days" that were created, began with the evening. You can also note that the Sabbath began with the "evening". You will also see that the observance of the Passover began with the "evening", "...and all Israel shall kill it in the...evening".

The...triumphal entry...occured during the day, which was the 10th day of the month (Ex. 12:3). When the evening arrived later....that began a "new" day, Mk. 11:11. From that point in time forward.....it would be 7 days until his resurrection. If from that time of the evening (Mk. 11:11) forward is 7 days........the events (his entry) that proceeded that evening....would have to occur one day prior. Thus, it would be the 8th day, from his triumphal entry until his resurrection.

Where you may be missing the point is in the "new" day timeline.

YES! Christ did enter Jerusalem earlier that day, and we, in our society count the event of that evening as the "same" day. Yet, with their "day" beginning in the evening, Christ standing in the Temple, was the "day" that ...followed...his triumphal entry. Hence, it was 7 days from that point (Mk. 11:11) until his resurrection...but...it was 8 days from his triumphal entry (one day earlier).

This is why there is much confusion over identifying the 3 days and nights that Christ was in the heart of the Earth!

Thursday evening begins the timeline: It gives us 3 evenings and 3 mornings, with his resurrection occuring Sunday morning (early)...............BUT...........it is still the 3rd day, see Lk 24:21.

Interesting that Christ could be in the heart of the Earth 3 days and 3 nights......yet rise the "3rd" day.

That is the "provision" that makes it all "hold" together.

You can see now that I did not mis-speak, but rather that I explained it poorly to where you did not understand.

[Daniel7:14]

(CONT')

So, yes it was the same "calendar" day, according to us, but it entails...two...days during the time of Christ.

As you "begin your count" backwards from his resurrection day, Sunday, first day of the week, count back 3 mornings and 3 evenings, you will arrive at Thursday evening. As you "count" the 10th day of the month with his triumphal entry.....until the 14th day of the month...you will arrive at Thursday.

There are 40 days from resurrection to ascension;
There are 42 days from crucifixion to ascension;
There are 50 days from resurrection to the giving of the Holy Ghost;
There are 5o years to Jubilee;
There are 52 days from crucifixion to the giving of the Holy Ghost;
There are 52 days to the rebuilding of the "wall" (Neh. 6:15);

It is all by design, it is all connected; and........Christ.....is the "common denominator"!

Bless,

Dan

[OmniSkeptical]

There is no precedence for a 1st day church week.

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And σαββατου means "of the seventh" in greek. They also gathered rarely on the pentacost, see the quarterdecimian contraversy

[Rdr. Arsenios]

σαββατου means "of the seventh" in greek.

It actually means, literally, "of seven", the first of which means the first day of seven days, which is the week ending in the Sabbath, or seven... In the Church, we call it the Eighth Day... Which is Sunday... Which is the first day of the new week that begins with a Holy Day, and ends in the Sabbath...

Arsenios

[OmniSkeptical]

It actually means, literally, "of seven", the first of which means the first day of seven days, which is the week ending in the Sabbath, or seven... In the Church, we call it the Eighth Day... Which is Sunday... Which is the first day of the new week that begins with a Holy Day, and ends in the Sabbath...

Arsenios

Gibberish. There isn't a day added. It is saturday night, and they have to bury a body according to Israelite custom. The text πρωτηι means he was the first to wake up during that night.

[Rdr. Arsenios]

σαββατου means "of the seventh" in greek.

It actually means, literally, "of seven", the first of which means the first day of seven days, which is the week ending in the Sabbath, or seven... In the Church, we call it the Eighth Day... Which is Sunday... Which is the first day of the new week that begins with a Holy Day, and ends in the Sabbath...

Arsenios

Gibberish. There isn't a day added.

Nobody said there was... Are you ok?

It is saturday night, and they have to bury a body according to Israelite custom.

Israelites do not bury bodies on the Sabbath...

The text πρωτηι means he was the first to wake up during that night.

It means the first DAY - Ask any Greek... Literally the first of seven - And very early in the pre-dawn hours... At the break of day... First light, as we used to say in North Dakota...

Arsenios

[Daniel7:14]

Geo,

Thank you for the "background" information, it always helps to solidify the position we lean towards.

The morning resurrection of Christ would duplicate the first day of Creation. That would be the introduction of "light" into the world. After all the sun and stars were not created until the 4th day. Col. 1:16 informs us that; "...all things were made by him and.......FOR......him..." Why would we be surprised that Christ would "introduce" Creation, in the manner in which he did, which would reflect his redemptive work, completed on that first day of the week?

It may have something to do with the...unchanging...nature of God. Christ was that "light" (existant) of the world during Creation, on the first day, and he would be that "light" (redemptive) of the world with his resurrection: also on the first day of the week.

Bless,

Dan

[rstrats]

Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of an author.

[The Remonstrant]

Oh, no... not this thread again...

[technomage]

Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of an author.

Perhaps it's time to acknowledge that you were incorrect. I am not aware of any published author who cites Mark 16:9 as their reason for worshiping on Sunday.

On the other hand, Sunday worship probably goes back to the writing of the Didache, the Apocalypse of John, and definitely goes back to Irenaeus and Justin Martyr.

[OmniSkeptical]

Perhaps it's time to acknowledge that you were incorrect. I am not aware of any published author who cites Mark 16:9 as their reason for worshiping on Sunday.

On the other hand, Sunday worship probably goes back to the writing of the Didache, the Apocalypse of John, and definitely goes back to Irenaeus and Justin Martyr.

Since when?

[OmniSkeptical]

It means the first DAY - Ask any Greek... Literally the first of seven -

Modern Greek has no authority when it comes to classical greek. And being pre-dawn on a sabbath, it had been three days and three days nights. Let us not forget yoms start at night time not day time.