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  • #16
    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    OK. There are some points of disagreement. Does Daniel endorse the so-called ministry of T. B. Joshua?
    I have no idea whether Dr. D.K. Olukoya endorses T.B. Joshua however their ministries appear to be somewhat similar.
    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    Friend,
    I have a question for you. If you were to explain salvation to another person, what would you explain as to how one could know for sure without a doubt one was saved and upon death would go to be present with the Lord?
    That is a good question. . .I would probably use scripture such as John 3:16 to explain salvation.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by arnoldo View Post
      Would you kindly check the statement of faith of another pastor in Lagos, Nigeria?

      Dr. Daniel Kolawole Olukoya's- Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries
      It's chock full of spiritual snobbery, extra-biblical nonsense, and outright heresy.
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #18
        Originally posted by arnoldo View Post
        Matthew 5:11
        Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
        Considering that what I said was not false, this verse doesn't apply to T.B.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • #19
          Emmanuel!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by arnoldo View Post
            That is a good question. . .I would probably use scripture such as John 3:16 to explain salvation.
            OK. But what what would you explain?
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • #21
              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
              OK. But what what would you explain?
              Isn't scripture sufficient for you? What do you think of the following sermon?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by arnoldo View Post
                Isn't scripture sufficient for you? What do you think of the following sermon?
                It consists of simply repeating over again what the Bible says; it doesn't explain what it means.
                The brutal, soul-shaking truth is that we are so earthly minded we are of no heavenly use.
                Leonard Ravenhill

                https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by arnoldo View Post
                  Isn't scripture sufficient for you?
                  Oh, I know God's written word is sufficient. But not snips void of its meaning. And void of meaning explaining nothing. John 3:16 void of it meaning cannot help save anyone.

                  What do you think of the following sermon?
                  First, to me he is a false prophet since I am of the persuasion that the Apostle John who was given the prophecy of the book of Revelation was the last prophet give to the Body of Christ, Christ's church.

                  Now the truth that God is a metaphor for love does not explain how to abide in God.

                  Those who do not abide in God through His Christ shall perish (John 15:6).

                  Now again, what would you explain to another as to how to abide in God and to know that in death one will without a doubt be present with the Lord?

                  John 3:16 has parts to its message. Each part has a meaning. God so loved the world . . . How did God show this?
                  . . . that He gave his only begotten Son . . . How did God do that?
                  . . . that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have everlasting life . . . . What is it to believe in Him? Believe what?

                  Explain this, how would you explain to someone who does not yet understand? How would you present it?
                  Jesus warned (Matthew 7:21-23).


                  Your "prophet" explained none of this. His message was empty.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #24
                    The thief on the cross didn't have to give (or receive) a theological explanation of his salvation in order to get Jesus's approval. IMHO, since Jesus is doing the healings in this ministry I would be cautious before speaking against it (Psalms 105:15).
                    Last edited by arnoldo; 11-27-2015, 08:37 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      First, to me he is a false prophet since I am of the persuasion that the Apostle John who was given the prophecy of the book of Revelation was the last prophet give to the Body of Christ, Christ's church.
                      See Ephesians 4:11

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                      • #26
                        How many of these people healed were in the hospital with diagnosed ailments?
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                          How many of these people healed were in the hospital with diagnosed ailments?
                          I dunno, but below is a link to three people who gained the ability to walk.

                          https://www.youtube.com/attribution_...eature%3Dshare

                          https://www.youtube.com/attribution_...eature%3Dshare

                          https://youtu.be/Lj4WtEfNADg

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by arnoldo View Post
                            IMHO, since Jesus is doing the healings in this ministry I would be cautious before speaking against it (Psalms 105:15).
                            Jesus being behind the healings of T. B. Joshua's ministry is not obvious at all.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by arnoldo View Post
                                How about medical records instead of youtube videos? Benny Hinn has the same scam going on.
                                That's what
                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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