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    Why are some people so dogmatic about ttheir eschatological views?

    I've seen some premillenial dispensation futurists be very dogmatic about their position. Hopefully not to the point of claiming you can't be a Christian unless you agree with them, but they do seem to think you have to agree with them to be a good Christian. I'm pretty agnostic about what will happen before the Second coming of Jesus. If most of the prophecies were fulfilled in the first century(aside from the Second Coming and Final Resurrection, duh), that would be okay. If the planet goes down the tubes before Jesus returns, so be it. I'd like to know why some people think Jesus will return in our lifetimes. Haven't people been saying that for nearly two millennia?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbw
    Haven't people been saying that for nearly two millennia?
    Yes. Mockers have always existed, too, so be careful....... 2 Peter 3:



    3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts,

    4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”

    5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
    6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

    7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

    8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

    9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.


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    Meaning?

    Does the fact that people keep setting dates give more ammo for mockers?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    The belief in the imminent return of Christ is the basis for the belief that Christ can return in one's life time. It is also part of the basis of the peterist view point that the events of Matthew 24 must be understood to have already taken place in Jesus' disciples life time.

    Personally I believe Christ's return will be sudden and unexpected upon the lost world, rather than imminent. Meaning that it will have been imminent when it takes place. Holding a premillenial post tribulationists futurists view point.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Meaning?

    Does the fact that people keep setting dates give more ammo for mockers?
    Yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Meaning?

    Does the fact that people keep setting dates give more ammo for mockers?
    Yeah it does, and those people keep claiming to know something Jesus said it would be impossible to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    The belief in the imminent return of Christ is the basis for the belief that Christ can return in one's life time. It is also part of the basis of the PRETERIST view point that the events of Matthew 24 must be understood to have already taken place in Jesus' disciples life time.

    Personally I believe Christ's return will be sudden and unexpected upon the lost world, rather than imminent. Meaning that it will have been imminent when it takes place. Holding a premillenial post tribulationists futurists view point.
    Might as well shout it out when I do agree with 37818. I don't like Dispensationalism nor the Rapture. I can't find either in the Bible. Both are sectarian innovations not over two centuries old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Yeah it does, and those people keep claiming to know something Jesus said it would be impossible to know.
    Maybe they think that if they keep guessing, they may accidentally get it correct one day?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    Well, they certainly are showing their lack of scriptural knowledge, which makes it clear that no one knows the day or hour of the Lord's return.

    They also don't know scripture says that every eye will see Him return, so it is a physical return, not a "spiritual" one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Well, they certainly are showing their lack of scriptural knowledge, which makes it clear that no one knows the day or hour of the Lord's return.

    They also don't know scripture says that every eye will see Him return, so it is a physical return, not a "spiritual" one.
    Is that in reference to the various cults that think Jesus made a "spiritual" return? I hope no one mistakes the Second Coming for something else!
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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