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    How do different understandings of peripheral issues fall under your super strict evaluation here. No one on earth is omniscient so I am missing the sense of what you wrote. In Romans 14 Paul very clearly points out that believers will have some differences in non-essentials. What you write seems to me to conflict with what Paul wrote there. Can you clarify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parakletos View Post
    Now, majority of christians possess ignorance, and there is no way that these people, because of ignorance, can learn from preaching, or of teaching doctrines, but they will be saved by believing the prophesies and of the prophets and leaders that is being witnessed in those prophesies.
    I don't think ignorance means what you think it means. People who are ignorant are by no means incapable of learning - they may just not have been exposed to proper teaching.
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    I concur with OBP. If not for some serious scholarship, prayer, and good humor I would not be here. Or be a believer. I was ignorant. When I learned the truth it changed me.

    For example I used to think that Jesus simply lied and that he was born of an affair.

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    In the second century, Justin Martyr wrote about his belief in what we would now call premillennialism, then followed it up with this comment:

    Many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.
    This early influential Christian thinker recognized there was room for Christians to disagree on eschatology. He knew there were other hills to die on, and he wrote about some of these.
    I want something good to die for to make it beautiful to live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I don't think ignorance means what you think it means. People who are ignorant are by no means incapable of learning - they may just not have been exposed to proper teaching.
    I refer to both those incapable and capable of learning.

    Some elect who will partake of eternal life are incapable learning. It is the prophesy, which can easily be proved through observation, that will convince them to submit to the authority of leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    How do different understandings of peripheral issues fall under your super strict evaluation here. No one on earth is omniscient so I am missing the sense of what you wrote.
    It is actually impossible to determine, or set boundaries. And even when we focus on one issue, our lack of omniscience would itself divide us in tackling the issue, and we may not be able to determine the consequential damage of our division.

    Observing our differences in a small group is different in observing in a larger group. It is different to observe Russians and Americans in small groups, or as individuals, to observing Russians and Americans as nations. It will be hard to say what will be the "non essential differences" as a group or even as individuals to attain our unity.

    In Romans 14 Paul very clearly points out that believers will have some differences in non-essentials. What you write seems to me to conflict with what Paul wrote there. Can you clarify.
    What Paul was addressing is actually the problem of us being judges among ourselves in general. And it touches the very issue about how to go after about our differences. Paul's is more broad in subject, it touches the basic reason of grace that we will all stand to be judged by God and none can be justified even by the very rules that each of us hold. Paul's address on the issue is not about accepting the differences as natural, rather it is stressed that it is God who would strengthen and straighten those who are weak in faith. In Paul's address, those weak in faith are considered in the process of growth, until they come to the knowledge of truth. The goal for every Christian is this:

    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; - Eph 4:11-14


    But our issue here is how would we judge the differences. There should be no differences in belief for we should have a "unity" of faith, as Paul clearly said. But this applies only strictly to the leaders.

    However, I am addressing of how we go tackle our differences with those ignorant in the church body. We, ourselves, cannot know how to deal with the ignorant, for we cannot know what would be essential or non essential to an ignorant. And that is what I was pointing out in general in my responses; that we cannot really be judges of what is, or what is not, essential.

    What Paul addresses in Rom 14 is more broad, for it touches the issue that even we who are united in faith, are subject to cause issues (division, etc.,) because of our weaknesses. And for this, we would also even be divided because of our weaknesses, though we be united in faith, or claim of "essential" beliefs. So here we will surely face all the issues about how we face differences. What I am bringing everyone to conviction is that we can not really stand as judges among ourselves. And it is this issue that I want to raise to support the reason of the importance of prophesies. It will really be hard to know which among our leaders are anointed of God, it is the prophesy that will help us know who should be our leaders.
    Last edited by Parakletos; 10-16-2016 at 08:19 PM.

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