show us your art

[Jme]

I use project dogwaffle for my drawing - still early days as I've only been drawing for a month or so.

[gharfish]

Here is a cartoon I did in about '86 or '87. It was done for a clinical psychologist who wanted to illustrate for a short book/let the disorder known as agoraphobia, which I remember was "fear of the marketplace."

What a cool-looking cobra there, luv1another ! I'm sure {tim} was pleased. There's alot of good art on this thread, I see. I have just now found this thread and looked through it.


~from 'the artist formerly known as' (not Prince, but) garfish:

[luv1another]

thankyou LG and cool cartoon I had a friend once who had agrophobia.

have you done any other cartoons?

[gharfish]

thankyou LG and cool cartoon I had a friend once who had agrophobia.

have you done any other cartoons?

Thank you, luv1another ! I also wanted to add that the (your) drawings that begin this thread caught my eye--led me into it. They are also very good. Are you "formally" trained ?

My Dad had agoraphobia most of his life. It paralyzed him socially. He was a brilliant electrical engineer.
He has scanned a few of my old cartoons for me recently. They are actually Xeroxes that he used; the originals are gone. The sample ones he has were done in my 'youth'--from the mid to late eighties.

Lemme find another one or two:

[luv1another]

cool

thank you nah I havnt had any training LOL I have thought about doing a few lessons but havnt got round to it... the most art lessons I have had were at school and I hated school so wasn't really interested in learning much

[Minnesota]

La ghariyal, ever consider suing Gary Larson for copyright infringement?



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[gharfish]

Neither of those cartoons were sold to anybody. They were both done simply to promote "goings on" (social) for my single's group at my church at [that] time.

And may I ask why do you care ? I think that my drawings nevertheless here show a divergence/and an adding to--certainly enough to be acceptable, anyway.

[gharfish]

Neither of those cartoons were sold to anybody. They were both done simply to promote "goings on" (social) for my single's group at my church at [that] time.

And may I ask why do you care ? I think that my drawings nevertheless here show a divergence/and an adding to--certainly enough to be acceptable, anyway.

Here are some more of my cartoons done at that time. What do you have to say of them, if anything ?

[Minnesota]

Here are some more of my cartoons done at that time. What do you have to say of them, if anything ?

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Neither of those cartoons were sold to anybody. They were both done simply to promote "goings on" (social) for my single's group at my church at [that] time.

Obviously you don't know copyright law. Of course, as long as one isn't caught either violating the law or pretending to be something they're not, then no harm done, Right?

[gharfish]

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Obviously you don't know copyright law. Of course, as long as one isn't caught either violating the law or pretending to be something they're not, then no harm done, Right?

No, I guess not. You tell me what it is, here. And am I really pretending to be someone I'm not ?

Of course I used the classic W.C. Fields photo. My drawing is a play on words: W.C. = Debussy. Please read the gag line. It says "Debussy Fields." That would be the famous composer. I studied a photograph of his face and put it on the photo of W.C. playing cards. That is Debussy. Look him up. Another sort of generic fat guy, but with a beard and such.

So, W.C. Fields sounds alot like Debussy Fields. It wasn't my idea (the concept); it doesn't matter.

I admit that I used two of Larson's cartoons to base mine on. I was in a hurry to produce a hand-out flyer to my Church's singles group, to give them all the info. they would need to get to a Super Bowl party at a friend's house that year. The 3 guys are watching the Super Bowl. Can't you see how my drawing style departs from Gary Larson's ? I did add two other original guys who are located beside the one seated in the chair. See them ?!
Can't you appreciate the differences between Larson's god figure and mine ? How about the different way we rendered the cloud "base" God's throne would sit on (?) Look at them again.

Regardless, can you at least admit that I am equally skilled in drawing cartoon figures ? That God figure (mine) saying "Hymph !" was originally 2 inches tall. That's a small drawing of a body to pull off with any accuracy. I did that just for fun; I was at odds a bit with God back then. My single's friends liked it (didn't get that God was disgruntled with us all) and it ended up as corner decorations on a singles' newletter: Single Track, it was called.

Nobody training me to do any of this. Even just the use of shading film I had to figure out on my own.



Why are you hassling me ? What's this about ? I am shocked that you went to all this trouble: how many cartoons did you search through to find those ? Wow. How sad that you felt you needed to do that for others and yourself.




Now, what about the other cartoons I have posted ? The other nine ? You have focused in on three. I have satisfied your second (W.C. Fields) objection; I know. Will you still regard me a fraud, of sorts, after looking carefully at the other cartoons ? ...perhaps even violated copyright law in them too ?

***Is the cartoonist whose work I've included (his is in color) at the very bottom of the page in violation of taking someone else's style "away" ? He is widely syndicated--really quite well known present day.***

What few cartoons I've been able to "show"; they were essentially random choices from many many drawing done over five years. It weas my father who simply pulled a few 20 year old Xeroxes, to test a new graphics program he bought, and sent these [only] by e-mail to me from his home in LA. He never supported my interest in art, and he is not helping me share it here today with you--anybody seeing these samples. He thinks TWeb is harnful to my mental health, not to mention a total waste of time.



~edit to add: I see that my attachments did not load the way I thought they would. Perhaps the comparing of them is still easy enough to do. I cropped them. Let your eyes roam.

[Minnesota]

No, I guess not. You tell me what it is, here. And am I really pretending to be someone I'm not ?

I think we both know what's going on here, it isn't all that uncommon: presenting one's work with the hope (expectation?) it will be regarded as a wholly original. I remember it having been done a couple of times in high school, but that's usually where it ends. In adults it's generally more than frowned upon.

Of course I used the classic W.C. Fields photo. My drawing is a play on words: W.C. = Debussy. Please read the gag line. It says "Debussy Fields."

I guess I get it, but IMHO it's pretty lame. Yet, that's neither here nor there. I used the original Fields photo because it was obviously another one of your appropriations, and that it offered a good opportunity to illustrate my reply. No biggy.

Regardless, can you at least admit that I am equally skilled in drawing cartoon figures ?

Equal to whom, Gary Larson or Don Martin? No, I don't think you are. I think you definitely have an ability, above average for sure, but still lack the polish to qualify as commercial grade. And why would you care what I think, anyway? You don't need my recognition or praise. In my opinion you're a good amateur who is relying on the works and styles of others to get by. Not particularly uncommon, but hardly praiseworthy, and in fact, a bit shabby. Be your own artist and develop your own style is my advice..

Nobody training me to do any of this. Even just the use of shading film I had to figure out on my own.

That's very nice.

That God figure (mine) saying "Hymph !" was originally 2 inches tall. That's a small drawing of a body to pull off with any accuracy. I did that just for fun; I was at odds a bit with God back then. My single's friends liked it (didn't get that God was disgruntled with us all) and it ended up as corner decorations on a singles' newletter:

Hey, copy whatever you want for whom ever you want, I really don't care. If you want to impose on the copyrights of others that's up to you. What does bother me is when someone presents work based on that of others without acknowledging the source or at least acknowledging it's unoriginality. It's not outright lying, but does smack of willful deception. Not that you were obligated to tell your friends for whom you made the drawings, but presenting them here as completely original works, which is the default presumption with any such posting, is being less than honest. Now maybe your standard of ethics allows for such play. Mine does not.

Now, what about the other cartoons I have posted ? The other nine ? You have focused in on three. I have satisfied your second (W.C. Fields) objection; I know. Will you still regard me a fraud, of sorts, after looking carefully at the other cartoons ? ...perhaps even violated copyright law in them too ?

Perhaps you have, your debt to the artists of Mad Magazine is certainly apparent.

***Is the cartoonist whose work I've included (his is in color) at the very bottom of the page in violation of taking someone else's style "away" ?

Not that I'm aware of. John McPherson's style is quite unique---I've always thought it grotesque and amateurish: he gets by on his ideas not his execution. But even if he was, what does that have to do with what you do?

What few cartoons I've been able to "show"; they were essentially random choices from many many drawing done over five years. It weas my father who simply pulled a few 20 year old Xeroxes, to test a new graphics program he bought, and sent these [only] by e-mail to me from his home in LA. He never supported my interest in art, and he is not helping me share it here today with you--anybody seeing these samples. He thinks TWeb is harnful to my mental health, not to mention a total waste of time.

I think your father may be on to something.

[Minnesota]

.An added note here, only because I'm unable to edit the above post. Please disreard my remarks referring to whatever art you may be doing at present. If you are no longer copying the works/style of others that's great.

[gharfish]

.An added note here, only because I'm unable to edit the above post. Please disreard my remarks referring to whatever art you may be doing at present. If you are no longer copying the works/style of others that's great.

A consolation gift. Thanks. I think only we two know what you being here, doing this, is tied to--goes back to.

It's natural, MN.

[Minnesota]

A consolation gift. Thanks. I think only we two know what you being here, doing this, is tied to--goes back to.

It's natural, MN.

One of the best.

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i don't know if you ever saw the documentary on him, but it's fantastic.

[gharfish]

One of the best.

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i don't know if you ever saw the documentary on him, but it's fantastic.

I have it: "Crumb."