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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    Do you consider it a positive, neutral or negative thing to say that the Jews are cursed?
    It is a self imposed problem of the Ego. It is what it is.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    It is a self imposed problem of the Ego. It is what it is.
    But is is a positive, neutral, or negative thing to say about the Jews that they are cursed?
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    But is is a positive, neutral, or negative thing to say about the Jews that they are cursed?
    It is a self imposed problem of the Ego. It is what it is.

    Your Groundhog Day agenda makes dialogue problematic, and I have difficulty taking you seriously.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 12-15-2015 at 12:19 PM.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    It is a self imposed problem of the Ego. It is what it is.

    Your Groundhog Day agenda makes dialogue problematic, and I have difficulty taking you seriously.
    The only thing impeding dialogue is your refusal to answer this question directly. When one says that the Jews are cursed, do you consider that to be a positive thing to say about the Jews, neutral, or negative?
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    Quote Originally Posted by robrecht View Post
    The only thing impeding dialogue is your refusal to answer this question directly. When one says that the Jews are cursed, do you consider that to be a positive thing to say about the Jews, neutral, or negative?
    ALL questions have been answered. It is your insistence on a hostile agenda that has colored our dialogue here and other issues concerning the Baha'i Faith over time.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    ALL questions have been answered. It is your insistence on a hostile agenda that has colored our dialogue here and other issues concerning the Baha'ii Faith over time.
    Yet another ad hominem, and untrue; I have no hostility for the Baha'i faith or you.
    Last edited by robrecht; 12-15-2015 at 05:09 PM.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    My personal religious beliefs lie somewere between the Bahaii,theSihk and the Unitarian views. I personally agree a great deal with this posts view of evil and satan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Njoroge View Post
    My personal religious beliefs lie somewere between the Bahaii,theSihk and the Unitarian views. I personally agree a great deal with this posts view of evil and satan.
    That's funny, you told me you were closer to Gnostic Marcionite...


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    What I relate too in Marcion is not entirely agreement with him. He saw the God of the Old testament as a separate entity from the one of the new testament. I on the other hand am very sceptical of the literal truth of the old testament. An example, I doubt that Noah had two of every animal on the ark. It seams like a myth that changed with the peoples imagination. Perhaps Noah existed ,but many myths older than the bible spoke of a great flood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Njoroge View Post
    What I relate too in Marcion is not entirely agreement with him. He saw the God of the Old testament as a separate entity from the one of the new testament. I on the other hand am very sceptical of the literal truth of the old testament. An example, I doubt that Noah had two of every animal on the ark. It seams like a myth that changed with the peoples imagination. Perhaps Noah existed ,but many myths older than the bible spoke of a great flood.
    Liking what someone says does not mean you ascribe to their religion.


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