Another Glaring Factual Discrepency in the Quran

[smaneck]

Historians don't even know their dates.

Nor the facts.

LOL. And you do, huh?

Everybody else is wrong but you.

[Bowman]

LOL. And you do, huh?

Everybody else is wrong but you.

Correct.

[ahmadj3]

So no one else has The Truth but you, right?

[Bowman]

So no one else has The Truth but you, right?

All that take Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior have The Truth, brother.

[ahmadj3]

So Jesus is the truth, ok. So when Jesus was asked by a young man, how to achieve salvation, and Jesus told him to obey the commandments. The man said that he had always obeyed the commandments since he was a boy. Jesus then tells him to give his wealth in charity, and follow him. As we both know the man didn't do that, and so Jesus said a very famous phrase. ' It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a man to achieve salvation.' It's not the exact wording, but my question is why didn't Jesus say worship me, and accept me as your personal saviour, etc. Why did he say first, obey the commandments, then for him to give in charity, and finally follow (not worship) Jesus. Jesus had the opportunity to tell this man what you are telling me. So was Jesus telling the truth, if so, why is it different from what you are telling me?

[Bowman]

So Jesus is the truth, ok. So when Jesus was asked by a young man, how to achieve salvation, and Jesus told him to obey the commandments. The man said that he had always obeyed the commandments since he was a boy. Jesus then tells him to give his wealth in charity, and follow him. As we both know the man didn't do that, and so Jesus said a very famous phrase. ' It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a man to achieve salvation.' It's not the exact wording, but my question is why didn't Jesus say worship me, and accept me as your personal saviour, etc. Why did he say first, obey the commandments, then for him to give in charity, and finally follow (not worship) Jesus. Jesus had the opportunity to tell this man what you are telling me. So was Jesus telling the truth, if so, why is it different from what you are telling me?

The very first thing that this man says to Jesus is to call Him 'good'.

Jesus replies that only God is 'good'.

Thus, for the man to call Jesus 'good', makes Jesus God right from the start of the conversation.

[ahmadj3]

Like you said, the man came to Jesus first saying, " Good master..", but Jesus says, " Why do you call me good, there is only One that is good, that is God." Jesus isn't saying he is God, rather he is denying being above anyone else in terms of goodness, and teachng the man that only God is the true source of goodness.

The very first thing that this man says to Jesus is to call Him 'good'.

Jesus replies that only God is 'good'.

Thus, for the man to call Jesus 'good', makes Jesus God right from the start of the conversation.

[Bowman]

Like you said, the man came to Jesus first saying, " Good master..", but Jesus says, " Why do you call me good, there is only One that is good, that is God." Jesus isn't saying he is God, rather he is denying being above anyone else in terms of goodness, and teachng the man that only God is the true source of goodness.

Jesus is not denying that He is God in this passage.

He is confirming that He is God.

This is born-out by context as the man then continues on asking Jesus what He must do to obtain eternal life.

If the man had taken this any other way than Jesus claiming to be God, then He would have stopped conversing with Him....however, he kept right on dialoguing without even so much as a hint of hesitation.

This is an old islamic polemic, brother.

Few Muslims realize that the camel passing through the eye of the needle was also copied into the Koran.

[ahmadj3]

How? How is he confirming he is God? How do we even know that the man thought of Jesus as God to begin with? I remember hearing that story in bible school when I was a kid.. camel throught the eye of a needle, it actually serves to catch a persons attention, but anyway the burden of proof is on you ahki

[Bowman]

How? How is he confirming he is God? How do we even know that the man thought of Jesus as God to begin with?

Why would the man approach Jesus in the first place with a direct question regarding how to obtain eternal life?

If the man understood that Jesus is God, then it makes perfect sense why he would ask Jesus this question.

Who, but God Himself, could answer this question?

I remember hearing that story in bible school when I was a kid.. camel throught the eye of a needle, it actually serves to catch a persons attention, but anyway the burden of proof is on you ahki

Check out 7.40 in your Koran, brother....in any translation of your choosing.

It was wholesale copied from the Biblical Gospels.

[smaneck]

All that take Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior have The Truth, brother.

Please, show enough respect for Christ not to blame Him for your delusions. Jesus didn't tell you the Dome of the Rock was built before the Qur'an was revealed.

[smaneck]

The very first thing that this man says to Jesus is to call Him 'good'.

Jesus replies that only God is 'good'.

Thus, for the man to call Jesus 'good', makes Jesus God right from the start of the conversation.

They way Christians turn this passage on its head never ceases to amaze me. Here is what Jesus actually said:

"Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God."
(King James Bible, Luke)

Jesus is telling the rich young man not to call him good!

[smaneck]

This is an old islamic polemic, brother.

LOL. It is the obvious meaning of the passage. I knew that even when I was a Christian.

Few Muslims realize that the camel passing through the eye of the needle was also copied into the Koran.

The same expression is found in the Qur'an therefore it is copied from the Bible? You do realize that there were camels in Mecca?

[smaneck]

Why would the man approach Jesus in the first place with a direct question regarding how to obtain eternal life?

Because he recognized Jesus as a holy man.

[QUOTE]Who, but God Himself, could answer this question?[/SIZE][/FONT]

Any man who knew the scriptures. You keep trying to tell us when we didn't ask.

Check out 7.40 in your Koran, brother....in any translation of your choosing.

It was wholesale copied from the Biblical Gospels.

Jesus says it is harder for a camel to go through needle than for a rich man to get into heaven.

The Qur'an says if one denies the signs of God's Revelation one will not be able to get into heaven until a camel goes through the idea of a needle.

Same expression, very different messages.

All it proves is that both the Hebrews and the Arabs were into camels and that their languages shared some of the same expressions.

[Bowman]

Please, show enough respect for Christ not to blame Him for your delusions. Jesus didn't tell you the Dome of the Rock was built before the Qur'an was revealed.

As a 'historian' you know that the inscriptions in the Dome of the Rock pre-date any extant Koran.

Further, the inscriptions apply the term Muhammad to Jesus Christ.