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    Surrogate. Mothers

    SPECIAL NOTE: Mods have given a dispensation to allow a crossover thread so debate can proceed in another thread. This one is to focus on the protection of surrogate moms. This will be an interesting experiment.

    http://liveactionnews.org/second-sur...ured-to-abort/

    Thoughts on what protections surrogate moms should have, and should seek to avoid this situation?

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    I'll start with the obvious. Let it be clear up front that abortion is not an option. But it seems even then there can be loopholes in the legal system? And it occurs to me that it just as easily could be the parents that don't want abortions. How should the law protect such wishes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertBerean View Post
    I'll start with the obvious. Let it be clear up front that abortion is not an option. But it seems even then there can be loopholes in the legal system? And it occurs to me that it just as easily could be the parents that don't want abortions. How should the law protect such wishes?
    Frankly, I'm not sure the law can protect such wishes outside of enforcing contractual agreements. Things that aren't specifically enumerated (like a maximum number of children) can't really be enforced, afaik.

    It's silly that abortion is the go-to answer instead of adoption.
    I'm not here anymore.

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    ....can a case be made for sex (no jokes! ) discrimination in her case? Singling out the gender as a reason for the demand?

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    I don't understand why the parents would be so averse to adoption, and insist on abortion.
    Hofstadter's Law: It will always take longer than you expect, even if you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    I don't understand why the parents would be so averse to adoption, and insist on abortion.
    Because it's their property, ofc. You don't just give that stuff away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrikature View Post
    Because it's their property, ofc. You don't just give that stuff away.
    you can't just give it away, but you can kill it.....right. ok
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    I don't support surrogacy (is that a word?) ... seems to invite a lot of problems such as this one! I recall in years past that the restrictions were that the surrogate mom was to already had kids, and be older. Makes sense...you want to know that the baby will take, and less chance of mom getting overly attached to the baby. Now you have young girls renting themselves out. To be fair, this young woman seems to be mature. Seems.

    I don't have kids, and I can't imagine the desperation of childless couples. Having written that, I have to wonder just how far they should go to get just what they want. Unscrupulous young women or parents could really take advantage of the desperation.

    The contract MUST be ironclad against abortion. CAN it be?

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    Here's an update that includes both women involved in this issue. They're no longer talking to the press since they got the lawyer. The article, I think, is a pretty good overview of the problems of surrogate pregnancies. I'm becoming less and less in favor of the practice.

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