Is Creation ex nihilo

[Adam]

My "Dirty Dozen" list still has a vacancy, but it's not for you, either of you Jesse guys. I'm starting a list for "Sweet Dozen", but without anyone yet decided upon. Looks like I need a third list, the "Silly Dozen" or the "Odd-duck Dozen". Any preference for the name for the list I can start for you two Jesse oddballs?

[Jesse]

My "Dirty Dozen" list still has a vacancy, but it's not for you, either of you Jesse guys. I'm starting a list for "Sweet Dozen", but without anyone yet decided upon. Looks like I need a third list, the "Silly Dozen" or the "Odd-duck Dozen". Any preference for the name for the list I can start for you two Jesse oddballs?

So your plan is to relegate me to a second-tier list? No way, bro. I refuse to acknowledge a charity list. Anyone named Jesse should be topflight or nothing at all.

[arnoldo]

I believe the Quantum zero-point cosmos is timeless by definition, as well as God is beyond time. The question of eternal nature of all of existence is moot point.

The difference is that the Quantum zero-point cosmos is mutable or changing whereas God is not.

[shunyadragon]

Yay! Shuny has finally learned the difference between 'moot' and 'mute'.

Actually, yes, the word moot is the preferred by grammar Nazis, but 'mute point' is common in modern American English, but condemned by grammar Nazis. One interesting modern variation is 'moo point.' I may use this sometime, because the opinion of cows is preferred. I may invent a new phrase, 'boo point.'

What would we do without the obsessive anal retentive Nazi grammarians that burn new phrases and words at the stake?

'If words become as stones, people throw them at each other and build walls.' - Frank Doonan

[shunyadragon]

The difference is that the Quantum zero-point cosmos is mutable or changing whereas God is not.

Agreed that God does not change, but it is obvious that his Creation evolves and changes over time.

Well, if you are a Methodological Naturalist the Laws of Nature are the only things in control of the Quantum zero-point cosmos and the changes we observe, and Quantum gravity forms the singularities that form universes. If you are a Theist like myself, God has creative control over the Quantum zero-point cosmos, and the Creation of universes. Natural Laws are determined by God and they are the processes of Creation. Science simply observes God's Creation in dynamic action.

[robrecht]

Actually, yes, the word moot is the preferred by grammar Nazis, but 'mute point' is common in modern American English, but condemned by grammar Nazis. One interesting modern variation is 'moo point.' I may use this sometime, because the opinion of cows is preferred. I may invent a new phrase, 'boo point.'

What would we do without the obsessive anal retentive Nazi grammarians that burn new phrases and words at the stake?

'If words become as stones, people throw them at each other and build walls.' - Frank Doonan

I like 'moo point'; its funny. 'Mute point', however, might lead people to think that you are uneducated, which would be a shame.

[37818]

I dont think so. Its more like he formed the universe out of the pre-exiting primordial chaos. . . .

While the term ex nihilo is not to be found in the texts, neither is any concept of a "pre-exiting primordial chaos." Any kind of chaos must consist of some kind of underlining order to be a chaos. It is not possible for chaos without an order.

[shunyadragon]

I like 'moo point'; its funny. 'Mute point', however, might lead people to think that you are uneducated, which would be a shame.

The snobbery of the anal grammarian rears its ugly butt again.

[robrecht]

The snobbery of the anal grammarian rears its ugly butt again.

Do you always resort to insults when losing an argument? Wouldn't it be better to engage in open and intellectually honest dialogue and politely concede a point? By trying to make it into an argument where you cannot concede legitimate points, you're reduced to stonewalling and endlessly repeating yourself and now insults.

[shunyadragon]

Do you always resort to insults when losing an argument? Wouldn't it be better to engage in open and intellectually honest dialogue and politely concede a point? By trying to make it into an argument where you cannot concede legitimate points, you're reduced to stonewalling and endlessly repeating yourself and now insults.

Ohhhh! Your stacking up a lot of 'poo points!'

Yea, Napoleon won the Battle of Waterloo.

[robrecht]

Ohhhh! Your stacking up a lot of 'poo points!'

Yea, Napoleon won the Battle of Waterloo.

Also funny! But why consider it a battle? Why not just dialogue? But I appreciate the concession.

[Adam]

....Well, if you are a Methodological Naturalist the Laws of Nature are the only things in control of the Quantum zero-point cosmos and the changes we observe, and Quantum gravity forms the singularities that form universes.

My turn to be anal here.
You should have said "ontological naturalist". Most scholarly theists (not I, however) are Methodological Naturalists.

[shunyadragon]

My turn to be anal here.
You should have said "ontological naturalist". Most scholarly theists (not I, however) are Methodological Naturalists.

Not anal at all, your point is justified.

Sorry for the error. it should 'Philosophical or Ontological Naturalists.'

[shunyadragon]

Agreed that God does not change, but it is obvious that his Creation evolves and changes over time.

Well, if you are a Ontological Naturalist the Laws of Nature are the only things in control of the Quantum zero-point cosmos and the changes we observe, and Quantum gravity forms the singularities that form universes. If you are a Theist like myself, God has creative control over the Quantum zero-point cosmos, and the Creation of universes. Natural Laws are determined by God and they are the processes of Creation. Science simply observes God's Creation in dynamic action.

Typo correction as caught by Adam, and justified

[Roy]

Merry Christmas!

Perhaps you can suggest a better word to go into the blank here: "Does Scripture _________ creation ex nihilo?"

I am not implying anything.

Suggest one of:
- describe
- suggest
- imply
- accommodate
- inform
- contradict
- include
- state
- avoid
- denigrate
- applaud
- deny
- predict
- explain
- require
- propose
- misdescribe
- postdict
- ignore
- proclaim
- versify
- define
- celebrate
- disambiguate
- appellate
- mistake
- assume
- reference
- downplay
- misdate
- accentuate
- orchestrate
- reify
- tenebrify
depending on your intent.