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    The mob that killed Joseph

    It is my understanding that local Masons dressed as native Indians assassinated Smith for his crime against the Masonic order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    It is my understanding that local Masons dressed as native Indians assassinated Smith for his crime against the Masonic order.
    Ummmm... I'm thinking you got your stories mixed up. Got a source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ummmm... I'm thinking you got your stories mixed up. Got a source?
    As I said, "my understanding." My sources are a Dr. Stuart Crane from a message he gave at Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park back in about the mid 1970's and also from a Masonic history book which I saw also in the mid 1970's. What can be confirmed on the internet, there was a mob involved in the killing of Joseph Smith and some have alleged there were Masons in that mob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    As I said, "my understanding." My sources are a Dr. Stuart Crane from a message he gave at Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park back in about the mid 1970's and also from a Masonic history book which I saw also in the mid 1970's. What can be confirmed on the internet, there was a mob involved in the killing of Joseph Smith and some have alleged there were Masons in that mob.
    but not indians


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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    As I said, "my understanding." My sources are a Dr. Stuart Crane from a message he gave at Faith Baptist Church of Canoga Park back in about the mid 1970's and also from a Masonic history book which I saw also in the mid 1970's. What can be confirmed on the internet, there was a mob involved in the killing of Joseph Smith and some have alleged there were Masons in that mob.
    But, as far as I know, nobody dressed like Indians. Yes, I believe that there were Masons in the mob, and Smith is alleged to have flashed the "gang sign" (kidding) for help from his Mason friends. Smith had been the grand poobah of the local lodge, but he had also swindled some of his fellow Masons and former followers out of their life savings with his phony bank, and he had duped some of their wives into "marrying" him.

    I'm thinking maybe you got the Mountain Meadows Massacre story and Smith's own 'tar and feathering' event mixed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    But, as far as I know, nobody dressed like Indians. Yes, I believe that there were Masons in the mob, and Smith is alleged to have flashed the "gang sign" (kidding) for help from his Mason friends. Smith had been the grand poobah of the local lodge, but he had also swindled some of his fellow Masons and former followers out of their life savings with his phony bank, and he had duped some of their wives into "marrying" him.

    I'm thinking maybe you got the Mountain Meadows Massacre story and Smith's own 'tar and feathering' event mixed in.
    No, I am not mixing them up. I am providing information as I had heard and or read regarding Joseph Smith's killing. This was regarding Masonry and Joseph Smith was mentioned. This was about 40 years ago.

    Well, it is my understand that Smith did give the "hail" sign. And they killed him anyway. In other words, he knew his killers.

    That is not in this lecture [Dr Stuart Crane] but Smith and his second wife are mentioned BTW. Lecture as to do with Masonry and world finance.
    http://server.firefighters.org/catalog/1998/00133.mp3 [part ii, 1 hour 22 minutes]
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    No, I am not mixing them up. I am providing information as I had heard and or read regarding Joseph Smith's killing. This was regarding Masonry and Joseph Smith was mentioned. This was about 40 years ago.

    Well, it is my understand that Smith did give the "hail" sign. And they killed him anyway. In other words, he knew his killers.

    That is not in this lecture [Dr Stuart Crane] but Smith and his second wife are mentioned BTW. Lecture as to do with Masonry and world finance.
    http://server.firefighters.org/catalog/1998/00133.mp3 [part ii, 1 hour 22 minutes]
    But no Indians.

    Yes, Smith was a Mason - he made himself the Grand Poobah, and handed out "degrees" like they were candy. He was a self-centered opportunist who would stab his friends in the back or steal from them or take advantage of them if it meant advancing his own agenda. That, in my opinion, is why there was a mob involved in his murder, comprised at least in part of masons, former followers, and angry husbands of women he stole. He apparently appealed to his Mason buddies for help, but he already burned that bridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    but not indians
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    But no Indians.
    That was what I had read in that Masonic history book. If I find a copy. I'll post the text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ummmm... I'm thinking you got your stories mixed up. Got a source?
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    That was what I had read in that Masonic history book. If I find a copy. I'll post the text.

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    I found this in the mean time. You can correlate this with what Stuart Crane explained about the Nazi officers surrendering, who were German Masons. Joseph Smith gave that sign.
    http://fr.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smit...ry_of_distress

    Still looking.
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