Campus security

[Darth Executor]

I'm curious, how expensive would it be to have bulletproof classroom doors? The Virginia massacre killer shot people through doors (and a more determined killer could probably kick them down). I think it could save quite a few lives. Instead of waiting for campus security to get where you are they could just ring an alarm over the PA system (if they have one) and everyone can run to the nearest classroom.

[Crow]

There's not much that you can't get some sort of a round to go through, but you can get doors that stop most handgun rounds. Heck, common bridge plate stops handgun rounds--how expensive can it be? I'm not saying that we should make doors out of bridge plate but you're right in thinking that there are ways to make doors bullet resistant, and we ought to be looking into that. There are probably commercial products out there already that have that capacity. Like this, ferinstance. http://www.pacificbulletproof.com/pr...ors/index.html

What I would also to see is a warning broadcast over the PA system from another building to alert people that there is a threat, and doors that automatically close which you can bolt without being shot in the process. Our nursing home doors automatically close in a fire, so it can't be that prohibitive. If people had means to quickly and effectively lock the killer out and doors that would stop handrounds, lives could have been saved. You don't have to turn a school into a prison to it give some extra protection and quicker response time.

[Jimmy Higgins]

There's not much that you can't get some sort of a round to go through, but you can get doors that stop most handgun rounds. Heck, common bridge plate stops handgun rounds--how expensive can it be? I'm not saying that we should make doors out of bridge plate but you're right in thinking that there are ways to make doors bullet resistant, and we ought to be looking into that. There are probably commercial products out there already that have that capacity. Like this, ferinstance. http://www.pacificbulletproof.com/pr...ors/index.html

What I would also to see is a warning broadcast over the PA system from another building to alert people that there is a threat, and doors that automatically close which you can bolt without being shot in the process. Our nursing home doors automatically close in a fire, so it can't be that prohibitive. If people had means to quickly and effectively lock the killer out and doors that would stop handrounds, lives could have been saved. You don't have to turn a school into a prison to it give some extra protection and quicker response time.

Or maybe if the background check on the kid found out that he was involuntarily put in a mental institution, he would never have gotten the gun that could shoot out so many obscene rounds in as many seconds.

Baracading the door to the cockpit of an airplane is one thing... baracading doors in all colleges, to prevent that shooting that won't happen at 99.9% of them is another... especially when in the Quad or the outdoor fields, there are no doors.

Unfortunately, this will happen again, in time, somewhere else. You can try to plan for it all you want, but the main fact of the matter is, it's usually over before you even know what's going on.

[Crow]

Or maybe if the background check on the kid found out that he was involuntarily put in a mental institution, he would never have gotten the gun that could shoot out so many obscene rounds in as many seconds.

Baracading the door to the cockpit of an airplane is one thing... baracading doors in all colleges, to prevent that shooting that won't happen at 99.9% of them is another... especially when in the Quad or the outdoor fields, there are no doors.

Unfortunately, this will happen again, in time, somewhere else. You can try to plan for it all you want, but the main fact of the matter is, it's usually over before you even know what's going on.

From what I understand the kid's background check didn't show this because he was voluntarily admitted. If you're hearing something different, please share it.

A person with a plain old revolver and a device known as a speed loader can fire off rounds nearly as quickly--I know because I've practiced it with my Colt Python. Someone bent on destruction could infect food at a salad bar, poison Tylenol, mail anthrax, or whatever. A sociopath with evil intents can find myriad outlets. It isn't the vehicle that's to blame but the driver, so to speak.

[Jimmy Higgins]

From what I understand the kid's background check didn't show this because he was voluntarily admitted. If you're hearing something different, please share it.

He voluntarily went to see a consoler (sp!) at the Police, but that person then put him, involuntarily, into a private mental health facility for testing.

A person with a plain old revolver and a device known as a speed loader can fire off rounds nearly as quickly--I know because I've practiced it with my Colt Python. Someone bent on destruction could infect food at a salad bar, poison Tylenol, mail anthrax, or whatever. A sociopath with evil intents can find myriad outlets. It isn't the vehicle that's to blame but the driver, so to speak.

But should we be making it so easy? You can't just poison Tylenol, you can't just infect food at a salad bar, you need a source for anthrax... none of these options were available to this kid.

There is no civliian benefit to weapons that rapid fire. Why we allow these things to be sold as usable weapons is beyond me.

[Crow]

He voluntarily went to see a consoler (sp!) at the Police, but that person then put him, involuntarily, into a private mental health facility for testing.

But should we be making it so easy? You can't just poison Tylenol, you can't just infect food at a salad bar, you need a source for anthrax... none of these options were available to this kid.

There is no civliian benefit to weapons that rapid fire. Why we allow these things to be sold as usable weapons is beyond me.

These things have all been done. I'll bet I'm not the only one who remembers the Tylenol poisonings. We can probably all remember the anthrax incidents. And for those who never picked up on the salad bar misdeeds.....

1984 Rajneeshee Salmonella attack

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioterrorism

[Darth Executor]

There is no civliian benefit to weapons that rapid fire.

There is if you have bad aim.

[Darth Executor]

you can't just infect food at a salad bar

Yes you can. In fact, it's much easier than going through the trouble of buying a gun.

[Rubia Warren]

So is chaining the doors closed and setting the place on fire.

[Darth Executor]

So is chaining the doors closed and setting the place on fire.

There are windows. Keep rope ladders on higher floors if you have to. And unless he's both shooting and setting the place on fire, the fire will just trigger smoke alarms and everyone will get out before they can choke or burn.

[RumTumTugger]

He voluntarily went to see a consoler (sp!) at the Police, but that person then put him, involuntarily, into a private mental health facility for testing.

Nope the Judge allowed him to volunteer or not there he was never involuntarily sent to a mental institution so that was not in his record to find. where are you getting your information on how his mental problems were handled or not handled?

[jgarden]

There is no protection for society when anybody can buy a gun anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

With 230 million guns in circulation, America is already an armed camp.

The difference beween a knife and a gun is the means by which to go from a murderer to a mass murderer.

[decoski]

There is no protection for society when anybody can buy a gun anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

With 230 million guns in circulation, America is already an armed camp.

The difference beween a knife and a gun is the means by which to go from a murderer to a mass murderer.

Statistics say otherwise. Take for example this town in Georgia. Look at the crime stats before enacting a law requiring the possession of guns, then afterwards: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55288
The reason why should be obvious. If you were intent on killing people, you couldn't care less about gun control laws, and knowing that the law abiding citizens don't have them, you know that you would have a good chance of getting your way; however, when a town that has laws requiring its citizens to carry guns, you would be less apt to carry out your crime knowing that you would have a small chance of success. Liberals feel; Conservatives THINK.

[Crow]

So is chaining the doors closed and setting the place on fire.

You would need more in the way of accelerants than you could tote inconspicuously. Fire codes take pyromaniacs into account.

Nail bombs are easily constructed. They've been a weapon of choice for sociopaths for years.

There is no way to take all means of killing out of the hands of those inclined. About all that can be done is put barriers in place that make it easier to restrain them and easier to warn people when someone starts. Just about every adult or near adult human being has the physical capacity to cause death on a large scale. But most of us are not nearly vile enough to want to do it.

[themuzicman]

There is no protection for society when anybody can buy a gun anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

With 230 million guns in circulation, America is already an armed camp.

The difference beween a knife and a gun is the means by which to go from a murderer to a mass murderer.

The difference between a knife and a gun is that I can defend myself against a criminal who has a gun with a gun, but not with a knife.

Outlawing guns just ensures that only outlaws have guns.

In a free country, there are risks you must live with in order to preserve freedom, and gun ownership is one of them.

Michael