Revelation 22:18

[Geert van den Bos]

For what it's worth, I think that Jesus was buried on a Thursday. Currently, I think that 666 refers either to money (as in 2 Chronicles 9:13) or to Nero Caesar. But I am still working on that. And anyway, I can't figure out how either of those topics actually relates to this thread. Finally, the idea of linking the mist in Genesis to the river in Revelation does at least relate to our topic. However, the linkage seems dubious to me, because there is a great difference between mist versus a river.

The bible uses metaphorical language, not straightforward language like used in a newspaper or history-book.

The "mist", Hebrew "ed", "1-4", of Genesis 2:6 is principle of time (without it nothing could grow) and also principle of speech (the bush of Genesis 2:5 is Hebrew "siach" which can also mean "speech, meditation, thought"), and also principle of resurrection, (The "ed" moistening the ground out of which Adam was formed), and also the source of the one river that divided into four heads.

I even think that John with his "In the beginning was the word" aimed at the very word "ed".

[robrecht]

Thanks, John. It is always nice to see that my reading of the text is in agreement with the scholars you cite.

I think καινα ... παντα (kaina ... panta) in 21,5 are especially important with respect to understang the above.

It seems to me that "tauta" refers to "panta" of v.5, but also that "all things made new" inhere the fountain of the water of life.

Great! Nice to see that we agree on this point.

John has an excellent post on the book of Revelation that contains a very good understanding of Rev 1,3, which corresponds perfectly with the interpretation of Rev 21,5.7 22,8bis.16.18.20 as understood here by me and Geert (re 21,5.7). I had wanted to go into some of the correspondences between the beginning and end of the book, but did not have time. Now I don't need to! Besides, John obviously knows much more about the book of Revelation than me anyway. I just do my best to read and understand the Greek.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ll=1#post23412

[Rushing Jaws]

Summartureo echoes sundoulos, "fellow-servant", which the angel said he was in relation to John:

Revelation 19:9-11



Revelation 22:8-10



The word also echoes the beginning of Rev:
emarturesen 1.2
marturian 1.3
marturian 1.9

& cf: συγκοινωνὸς in 1.9

Witness-words occur 19 times; the idea is important to the book.

martyreō 4
martyria 9
martyrion 1
martys 5

The ideas and themes & words of the books weave in and out of one another, and hint at and echo one another: as these quotations show.

[robrecht]

Summartureo echoes sundoulos, "fellow-servant", which the angel said he was in relation to John:

Revelation 19:9-11



Revelation 22:8-10



The word also echoes the beginning of Rev:
emarturesen 1.2
marturian 1.3
marturian 1.9

& cf: συγκοινωνὸς in 1.9

Witness-words occur 19 times; the idea is important to the book.

martyreō 4
martyria 9
martyrion 1
martys 5

The ideas and themes & words of the books weave in and out of one another, and hint at and echo one another: as these quotations show.

Witness words are indeed very important in the book, but just use μαρτυρέω instead of συμμαρτυρέω, as the later appears in no Greek mss. It was added by Erasmus, in the 16th century who translated this section from Latin into Greek because his single ms for the book of Revelation lacked the last 6 verses. Thus the prepositional connection with 19,9-11 and 22,8-10 is also not reflected in the Greek text of the author or of any of the Greek manuscripts.