Problems with Heliocentrism

[JohnMartin]

No it won't since the coin-table gravity force is negligible, overwhelmed many orders of magnitude by the coin-Earth gravity force.

"Obvious to all but the most ignorant..."

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The force perpendicular to the coin 2 flight path is not generated by the table, nor the earth, nor for that matter any body whatsoever in the Newtonian system. Its not a matter of magnitude of the force, but the very existence of the force.

Hence the Newtonion-Helio model is invalidated.

JM

[JohnMartin]

Standard physics accounts for celestial mechanics just fine.

Show us the Magick Aether(tm) explanation. With maths, please.

Hey, waitaminnt! I thought you don't believe in satellites???

So are you saying MA(tm) better explains a non-phenomenon?

The Newtonian system certainly doesn't work.

JM

[klaus54]

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The force perpendicular to the coin 2 flight path is not generated by the table, nor the earth, nor for that matter any body whatsoever in the Newtonian system. Its (sic) not a matter of magnitude of the force, but the very existence of the force.

Hence the Newtonion-Helio model is invalidated.

JM

Evidently the MAV (Magick Aether Vector) diminishes in the same way gravity does when a table is substituted for the much more massive Earth.

Who'd'a thunk it?

Why doesn't the MAV work at orbital altitude, say 200 km?

At what altitude is its effect negligible?

BTW, standard physics works just fine at explaining your coin-table nonsense.

Geo/Flat-Earth/Magick Aetherism (GFEMA) has no explanation and is therefore invalidated.

[klaus54]

The Newtonian system certainly doesn't work.

JM

The Newtonian system and its relativistic extension work just great!

You have no rebuttal.

GFEMA can't explain anything, except perhaps to a Neanderthal transmuted from 40,000 ka by a time machine.

GFEMA is invalidated to the googolplex power.

[Roy]

There is a good rule for debating.

You should be able to correctly describe/explain your opponent's position.

An even better rule is that you should be able to describe/explain your own.

[Roy]

Here is another good rule in debating. When a rebuttal post has been posted, you must directly engage the counter arguments for your claims to have any teeth.

So... how do geosynchronous satellites stay up?

[Roy]

Perhaps JM is unaware of the difference between vectors and scalars?

In Roy's atheistic world view, all things are a mindless superstition, including vectors and scalars. Roy doesn't know what being is, nor how things have being.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

[Yttrium]

The Newtonian-Helio model breaks down all over the solar system, wherever there is a body 1 orbiting the sun in an elliptical orbit with another satellite body 2 orbiting body 1.

If my objections to the recent posts are so simple to answer, then do so.

You've been answered in simple, straightforward ways many times. You simply reject the answers. Meanwhile, you've offered no way for geocentrism to account for the motions of the moons and satellites. I wonder, have you ever managed to find anyone who takes you seriously on this?

[rogue06]

So... how do geosynchronous satellites stay up?

Thin wires connected to the solid firmament

[Sparko]

Thin wires connected to the solid firmament

that's dumb. They use Aether Velcro(TM)

[rogue06]

that's dumb. They use Aether Velcro(TM)

That's what the wires are connected to the firmament with.

[Sparko]

That's what the wires are connected to the firmament with.

ohhhhhh.

[JohnMartin]

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Apparently the atheist thinks God does not exist because evil is real. The atheistic argument goes like this.

God is all powerful, all knowing and all good. But evil exists. Therefore God has the power, knowledge and goodness to prevent evil, but does not. God is therefore not all good, therefore God does not exist.

The theist position is God permits evil as a result of secondary, free causes that can defect from the law and thereby sin. The evil permitted by God is to allow in His goodness, power and knowledge to cause a greater good that would otherwise not be caused if the evil was not permitted to exist.

The atheist objection to God with regard to the existence of evil is to imply God cannot have a reason for the permission of evil for a greater good. The atheists objection with regard to the problem of evil infers the atheist knows more than God. Therefore the atheist has a greater mind than God.

Of course the atheist does not know the mind of God, because only God as an infinite being can know God's infinite mind.

Yet, the atheist objection to the existence of God requires that the atheists mind is equal to that of God.

Apparently according to atheism God does not exist because evil exists, therefore according to atheism, Roy has the mind of God.

JM

[JohnMartin]

That's what the wires are connected to the firmament with.

This would be the mirror version of the Helio seat belt gravity. Try not to laugh at a mirror version of your own model.

JM

[klaus54]

Apparently the atheist thinks God does not exist because evil is real. The atheistic argument goes like this.

God is all powerful, all knowing and all good. But evil exists. Therefore God has the power, knowledge and goodness to prevent evil, but does not. God is therefore not all good, therefore God does not exist.

The theist position is God permits evil as a result of secondary, free causes that can defect from the law and thereby sin. The evil permitted by God is to allow in His goodness, power and knowledge to cause a greater good that would otherwise not be caused if the evil was not permitted to exist.

The atheist objection to God with regard to the existence of evil is to imply God cannot have a reason for the permission of evil for a greater good. The atheists objection with regard to the problem of evil infers the atheist knows more than God. Therefore the atheist has a greater mind than God.

Of course the atheist does not know the mind of God, because only God as an infinite being can know God's infinite mind.

Yet, the atheist objection to the existence of God requires that the atheists mind is equal to that of God.

Apparently according to atheism God does not exist because evil exists, therefore according to atheism, Roy has the mind of God.

JM

Dumbo,

What does this sermon have to do with Heliocentrism?