Is the Earth Flat? - Some Evidence Presented

[JohnMartin]

i can convince you the earth is not flat john. just answer a few questions...

1. FE says that gravity does not exist. so what keeps us on the earth according to FE?

you can check the flat earth wiki if you need to look it up.

https://wiki.tfes.org/Gravity

I think this is false based upon my research. Some FEer's think gravity does not exist. Apparently those who hold to this position think buoyancy keeps us stuck to the surface. Do I believe this currently? No. Although it is not something that is not immediately absurd. Test all things.

JM

[Sparko]

I think this is false based upon my research. Some FEer's think gravity does not exist. Apparently those who hold to this position think buoyancy keeps us stuck to the surface. Do I believe this currently? No. Although it is not something that is not immediately absurd. Test all things.

JM

what makes things fall perpendicular to the earth's surface john? please dont avoid answering or dissemble. thanks.

and FE'ers do not believe buoyancy is the cause. go read that link

buoyancy has already been disproven. it would require the air being denser the higher you go in order to force objects downward to an area that was less dense. and it would still require gravity to work.

[Sparko]

ps john why do you say "test all things" and yet you refuse to test anything, and dismiss any evidence provided by such tests?

[klaus54]

So says the closet Marxist. Or is it the secular humanist? Both of which are utterly insane worldviews.

Remember Roy, according to your worldview the moon is a superstition, just like everything else.

JM

Marxism is a view that hasn't worked well for sure.

Geocentrism, stationary Earth, and Flat-Earth don't work AT ALL and never have. You can't make the Earth stationary by opinion.

[klaus54]

ps john why do you say "test all things" and yet you refuse to test anything, and dismiss any evidence provided by such tests?

It's a sign of schizophrenia or an EXTREME form of block-headed wacky Fundy fideism.

Oh, an a laughably transparent projection, which is a symptom of the above two choices.

[klaus54]

what makes things fall perpendicular to the earth's surface john? please dont avoid answering or dissemble. thanks.

and FE'ers do not believe buoyancy is the cause. go read that link

buoyancy has already been disproven. it would require the air being denser the higher you go in order to force objects downward to an area that was less dense. and it would still require gravity to work.

Perhaps JM ascribes (somewhat?) to the Aristotelian concepts of Levity vs. Gravity?

Source: http://www.drabruzzi.com/aristotelian_vs_galileian.htm

...Aristotle explained the behavior of an object, such as a rock, in terms of the “essential nature” of that object. For Aristotle, a non-measurable force existed within an object that compelled it to behave in a certain manner. A stone, for example, was classified by Aristotle as a heavy object, while fire was defined as a light object. Since heavy objects, likes stones, tend to fall downwards and light objects, such as fire, tend to move upwards, these behaviors --gravity and levity respectively-- were deemed by Aristotle to be part of the essential nature of those objects. The significant point here is that the factors determining the behavior of an object, according to Aristotle, all originate within the object to be explained, and depend upon the unobservable nature of that object.
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[klaus54]

The underlying cause of the moon's albedo is what? Take into account the spherical shape and dullness of the surface.

JM

Albedo is percent reflectivity.

Only a flat black surface has near zero albedo.

The Moon's surface consists of dark gray basalt (in the maria) and light gray anorthosite (in the uplands).

[rogue06]

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What's on the other side?

ETA: I guess its the Americas

[oxmixmudd]

The underlying cause of the moon's albedo is what? Take into account the spherical shape and dullness of the surface.

JM

The Sun is really bright.


Jim

[JohnMartin]

ps john why do you say "test all things" and yet you refuse to test anything, and dismiss any evidence provided by such tests?

"Test all things" doesn't mean answer all questions. Sometimes questions take time to think things through, then answer. You've proposed some good objections to the FE model which require thought. Your objections are noted, with thanks.

JM

[Roy]

Remember Roy, according to your worldview the moon is a superstition, just like everything else.

[JohnMartin]

Marxism is a view that hasn't worked well for sure.

Geocentrism, stationary Earth, and Flat-Earth don't work AT ALL and never have. You can't make the Earth stationary by opinion.

You can't make the Earth move by ignoring the problems with the Helio model and claiming victory without presenting evidence for the moving earth. You have done both.

JM

[JohnMartin]

Perhaps JM ascribes (somewhat?) to the Aristotelian concepts of Levity vs. Gravity?

Source: http://www.drabruzzi.com/aristotelian_vs_galileian.htm

...Aristotle explained the behavior of an object, such as a rock, in terms of the “essential nature” of that object. For Aristotle, a non-measurable force existed within an object that compelled it to behave in a certain manner. A stone, for example, was classified by Aristotle as a heavy object, while fire was defined as a light object. Since heavy objects, likes stones, tend to fall downwards and light objects, such as fire, tend to move upwards, these behaviors --gravity and levity respectively-- were deemed by Aristotle to be part of the essential nature of those objects. The significant point here is that the factors determining the behavior of an object, according to Aristotle, all originate within the object to be explained, and depend upon the unobservable nature of that object.
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I am willing to consider objections to Newtonian physics. Historically several objections have been made to the Newtonian system with its magical mass, gravity as an action at a distance and barycenter problems. The Newtonian system should be subject to criticism like any science theory, for the betterment of science.

JM

[JohnMartin]

Albedo is percent reflectivity.

Only a flat black surface has near zero albedo.

The Moon's surface consists of dark gray basalt (in the maria) and light gray anorthosite (in the uplands).

Interesting to note.

The underlying cause of the moon's albedo is what? Take into account the spherical shape and dullness of the surface.

JM

[JohnMartin]

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What's on the other side?

ETA: I guess its the Americas

The mystery of the flat earth. Maybe its the foundations placed there by God. Every model will encounter questions about the universe that cannot be fully answered. For example a limited universe cannot tell us the cause of the limit, nor what is beyond the limit. An unlimited universe cannot account for an infinite number of bodies actually existing simultaneously, nor demonstrate that the infinite universe is really known to be infinite from observation alone.

JM