Is the Earth Flat? - Some Evidence Presented

[HMS_Beagle]

You never demonstrate anything.
JM

In this case trollbat your own stupidity in over-the-top trolling is all the demo we need.

[HMS_Beagle]

If there is a mountain of water between LAX and Tokyo, what measures are taken by the pilot to ensure the plane climbs and then descends the mountain of water?

Don't you know trollbat? All modern jet liners are also submarines. They just go right through the "mountain of water".

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[Juvenal]

This is circle in most translations, including Young's Literal:

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+40%3A22&version=YLT

He who is sitting on the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants [are] as grasshoppers, He who is stretching out as a thin thing the heavens, And spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in.

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Isaiah 40:22 / BibleHub

New International Version
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

New Living Translation
God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them.

English Standard Version
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

New American Standard Bible
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

King James Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God is enthroned above the circle of the earth; its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like thin cloth and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

International Standard Version
He's the one who sits above the disk of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He's the one who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in,

NET Bible
He is the one who sits on the earth's horizoncircle of the earth, And the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; That stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, And spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in;

New American Standard 1977
It is He who sits above the vault of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Jubilee Bible 2000
He is seated upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; he stretches out the heavens as a curtain and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:

King James 2000 Bible
It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:

American King James Version
It is he that sits on the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in:

American Standard Version
It is he that sitteth above the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in;

Found it:

Douay-Rheims Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

Darby Bible Translation
[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a gauze curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in;

English Revised Version
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Webster's Bible Translation
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

World English Bible
It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in;

Young's Literal Translation
He who is sitting on the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are as grasshoppers, He who is stretching out as a thin thing the heavens, And spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in.

[37818]

This is circle in most translations, including Young's Literal:

Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+40%3A22&version=YLT

He who is sitting on the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants [are] as grasshoppers, He who is stretching out as a thin thing the heavens, And spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in.

© Copyright Original Source

Yes, "circle" is the standard translation of that Hebrew word. חוג

Babylon Hebrew-English Dictionary has for this word:
class, sphere, set, society, coterie. tropic, circle, range, boundary, compass

[Juvenal]

There are no satellites. All that work I did with satellites over the years was just to deceive the masses.

What kind of name is Yttrium? Sounds vaguely reptilian to me.

[Christianbookworm]

What kind of name is Yttrium? Sounds vaguely reptilian to me.

Google it. It's an element on the periodic table. You did know that, right?

[klaus54]

Yes, "circle" is the standard translation of that Hebrew word. חוג

Babylon Hebrew-English Dictionary has for this word:
class, sphere, set, society, coterie. tropic, circle, range, boundary, compass

Then why do most scholars prefer "circle"?

Could it be that "circle" is more in tune with the geographical knowledge of the Hebrew of circa 700 BCE?

{ETA: If you're trying to use the OT to refute flat-Earthism, I believe you're barking up the wrong tree. Similar to trying to force a 6/24/6000 year first Genesis creation story interpretation to be in agreement with geology, physics, astronomy, ...}

[Yttrium]

What is the counter argument to the light house, islands off Italy and the statue of liberty being seen from distances that are prohibitive on a global earth? If you claim a mirage, can you provide evidence for it, or do you rely upon the testimony of others and not science? Science evidence please.

I don't know. I don't particularly care, and I'm certainly not going to waste a lot of time researching something that you'll just reject out of hand. If you want to believe that those examples point to a flat Earth, go right ahead. I submit that you currently lack the scientific understanding of the situation to make a conclusion. My one Optics course doesn't qualify me as an expert.

You're searching for a few discrepancies in a huge mountain of obvious evidence for a roundish Earth, armed with a very limited and largely incorrect understanding of physics. I've seen a fair portion of that mountain of obvious evidence myself. That includes my work with satellites, including the images and data from them. You don't show a flat Earth by finding apparent discrepancies. You show it by something like going to the edge of the Earth and taking pictures of the edge. (As we've already explored the entirety of the Antarctic, good luck with that.)

As for the water, look up "surface tension". It keeps water relatively flat over short distances. It gets overwhelmed by gravity over large distances.

What kind of name is Yttrium? Sounds vaguely reptilian to me.

It's a metal.

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[37818]

Then why do most scholars prefer "circle"?

That is a good question. The NASB did originally translate the Hebrew word as "vault" and latter replaced it with the word "circle" moving "vault" to the margin. But then the literal is now often moved to the margin in the NASB. It would seem that the translators think the reading is closer to an understandable meaning than the literal.

Could it be that "circle" is more in tune with the geographical knowledge of the Hebrew of circa 700 BCE?

Maybe more in line with the Hebrew people's understanding of what was said.

{ETA: If you're trying to use the OT to refute flat-Earthism, I believe you're barking up the wrong tree. Similar to trying to force a 6/24/6000 year first Genesis creation story interpretation to be in agreement with geology, physics, astronomy, ...}

The translators of the Douay were translating from the Latin understood "circle" when they rendered ". . . gyrum . . ." [[round] about] as "globe" BTW.

[Raphael]

John, if you go stand on Bondi Beach and look East South East, can you see New Zealand? No? ahhh right curvature of the earth.

[klaus54]

That is a good question. The NASB did originally translate the Hebrew word as "vault" and latter replaced it with the word "circle" moving "vault" to the margin. But then the literal is now often moved to the margin in the NASB. It would seem that the translators think the reading is closer to an understandable meaning than the literal.

Maybe more in line with the Hebrew people's understanding of what was said.

The translators of the Douay were translating from the Latin understood "circle" when they rendered ". . . gyrum . . ." [[round] about] as "globe" BTW.

Well, if the Hebrews of the Eighth Century BCE knew that Earth was a sphere, they certainly didn't it share it. But, if "sphere" is what Is. 40:22 means then perhaps that part of the book was written much later, as per some scholars.

The earliest a spherical Earth is thought to be mentioned is in the time of Pythagoras in the Sixth Century BCE, and that's only a tradition IIRC.

[Christianbookworm]

So, if Isaiah was unaware of the Earth being spherical, how could God explain to him that the world is much bigger than Isaiah realizes and it is shaped like a ball?

[klaus54]

So, if Isaiah was unaware of the Earth being spherical, how could God explain to him that the world is much bigger than Isaiah realizes and it is shaped like a ball?

I don't understand this. Could you please re-phrase?

It's extremely doubtful that Isaiah (if he was the author of chapters 40 on -- as some scholars dispute) was aware of the sphericity of Earth IF chapter 40 was written in the Eight Century BCE, two centuries before Pythagoras (and it's questionable whether P knew at that time.)

Anyway, I don't believe the purpose of scripture is to impart novel scientific knowledge long before that novel idea was discovered by the secular world.

[Christianbookworm]

I don't understand this. Could you please re-phrase?

It's extremely doubtful that Isaiah (if he was the author of chapters 40 on -- as some scholars dispute) was aware of the sphericity of Earth IF chapter 40 was written in the Eight Century BCE, two centuries before Pythagoras (and it's questionable whether P knew at that time.)

Anyway, I don't believe the purpose of scripture is to impart novel scientific knowledge long before that novel idea was discovered by the secular world.

It would not be a problem if Isaiah were just refering to the horizon. You can't use the Bible to argue for a flat Earth or a round Earth, because it doesn't every refer to the entire planet. And it talks in terms the people back then could understand.

[klaus54]

It would not be a problem if Isaiah were just refering to the horizon. You can't use the Bible to argue for a flat Earth or a round Earth, because it doesn't every refer to the entire planet. And it talks in terms the people back then could understand.

Yes, of course.

I agree.

Teaching novel geophysics was not the purpose of that verse.

I asked you to clarify since there are many inerrantists (like 37818???) who insist the ancient Hebrews were imparted knowledge of the physical world that wasn't known until centuries later.