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  • Made in God's image.

    The human animal is the only [know to humans] that design and make what is designed. In this the human animal is like his Creator, humans being creators.
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

  • #2
    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    The human animal is the only [know to humans] that design and make what is designed. In this the human animal is like his Creator, humans being creators.
    This is not true. Many types of animals use tools to find food, build a home, and defend themselves. Chimpanzees use sticks to get grubs from small holes or honey from beehives. Sea otters crack open clams with rocks. There are many examples of animals designing and making what is designed for specific purposes. Does this make these creatures like their Creator too?
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      This is not true. Many types of animals use tools to find food, build a home, and defend themselves. Chimpanzees use sticks to get grubs from small holes or honey from beehives. Sea otters crack open clams with rocks. There are many examples of animals designing and making what is designed for specific purposes. Does this make these creatures like their Creator too?
      You are confusing designing with employing existing things as tools.

      I've never seen a chimpanzee on Dragon's Den.

      Although I have seen quite a few of their evolutionary atheistic progeny on Tweb.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        The human animal is the only [know to humans] that design and make what is designed. In this the human animal is like his Creator, humans being creators.
        What about things like bird's nests?

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          What about things like bird's nests?
          Animals (except mankind) and plants are the only creations that do what God created them to do, albeit in their still fallen condition. Birds do not sit down with a drafting pencil and a blueprint to figure out how to build their nest. They just do it because God created them to know how to do it.

          They don't have committees or politicians or directors of boards. They just do.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            What about things like bird's nests?
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            Why only nests then?
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • #7
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              You are confusing designing with employing existing things as tools.
              No, our Stone Age ancestors did little more than our simian cousins when it came to adapting existing materials for use as implements and tools. The human animal only progressed beyond this only because of higher intelligence, not because they were different in kind.

              I've never seen a chimpanzee on Dragon's Den.


              Although I have seen quite a few of their evolutionary atheistic progeny on Tweb.
              Neither atheists NOR theists are progeny of chimpanzees, we evolved from a common ancestor but we’re not of the same species as chimpanzees.

              “Humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids.”

              http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li...faq/cat02.html
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                The human animal is the only [know to humans] that design and make what is designed. In this the human animal is like his Creator, humans being creators.
                Whomped up any cool galaxies lately?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lao tzu View Post
                  Whomped up any cool galaxies lately?
                  Why not?


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                  • #10
                    Made in God's image----The Quran would disagree (Though the Prophet(pbuh) may agree to some degree)

                    "Image" is a problematic term because of possibilities of linkages with "idolatry". Surah 112 or Surah 42 verse 11 says that nothing in creation is like him/God. Theologically, this has implications that God cannot incarnate into creation either in human or non-human form. But...there are also ethico-moral implications. One such is in the concept of Equality. Hierarchy is a concept that is in tension with "Equality" and this is reflected in assumptions of entitlements and/or privileges (chosen-ness) of some over others. The Quran discourages presumptions of "chosen-ness", so that the conception of Equality is without hierarchy. In the Islamic world-view, this means that only God is entitled to the label of "Most-Superior" and all creation is equally inferior to God. (...because to have a hierarchy of some being "superior" to another is to take upon creation an aspect/status that belongs to God alone.) Thus creation is "inherently Equal"---but this clashes with the reality around us in which there is much diversity.

                    So...the concept of "inherent Equality" refers to the inherent/inner "value" and not to outward diversity---thus, even if one human being has a specific ability while the other does not, their inherent "value" is equal even if there is diversity in their abilities. Equality does not mean "same-ness". This conception of equality does away with presumptions of entitlements/privileges (chosen-ness) and so it uses the idea of responsibility/obligations to reconcile the chasm caused by actual diversity with inherent equality. Those to whom God has given (wealth, health, strength, knowledge, talents...etc) have the responsibility/obligation to share with, or help, those to whom God has given less. God's blessing are a sign---not of favor (chosen-ness) but a test of responsibility/obligation. Such a concept of Equality will have ramifications on ideas of Justice and in how one approaches the philosophy of Jurisprudence/law and ethics-morality. This reconciliation between actual diversity and inherent equality creates balance and harmony---which is the path towards Unity (Tawheed) and peace. It is in this context (of inherent Equality) that human beings are given the responsibility of Trusteeship (Khalifa) of God's creation.

                    below is a link to Jewish ideas of "image of God" and its ramifications on morality and law
                    http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/20...a-moral-issue/
                    http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/20...-and-equality/

                    On the other hand.....
                    There are also some sayings of the Prophet that Adam was created in his likeness---to reconcile this idea with the Quranic view that nothing in creation is "like" God, the statements of the Prophet are interpreted to refer to the idea of the attributes/"99 names of God". Therefore, human qualities such as Compassion, Justice, Mercy etc could be understood as some minuscule reflection of the "attributes of God" as conceptualized in the idea of the 99 names of God. This has ramifications for spirituality.(Taqwa--awe/love of God). The Quran says that nature/creation is a sign/verse of God---which is interpreted to mean that to "know" God is to look to God's creations---and for us human beings, this includes "knowing" our "self" (souls). In one of the verses of the Quran, God is described as light (noor) and this term can also mean knowledge (as opposed to darkness meaning ignorance) In the Quranic story of Adam, before sending him to Earth as the Trustee/Khalifa, God gives him knowledge. Without "knowledge" we cannot fulfill our responsibilities/obligations. That is why to "know" God (Taqwa) can come before "to do for God"(worship/Ibadah).

                    http://www.academia.edu/2314752/The_...nity_and_Islam
                    Last edited by siam; 03-10-2016, 01:17 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Scripture Verse: Genesis 1:26-27, JPS 1917

                      And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'
                      And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

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                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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