http://atheistempire.com/writings/poetry.html -- bad atheist poetry

http://www.bare-jesus.net/ -- bad Jesus scholarship

Evangelical Realism, blog by Dumplin’ Dumbash. Samples:

Notice first of all that Holding is bolting on an entirely extra-biblical framework for interpreting the Bible. There's nothing in the Bible about "honor" being more important to God than the eternal salvation of His own children, nor does the Bible say anything about sin being an insult to God's "honor." According to the Bible, the rules say that the payment for sin is death, not shame. (And, incidentally, the Bible says that at the Final Judgment, God will condemn those who have already died and who, technically, have paid for their own sins, since they've died. But God, the Loving Father, condemns them anyway!)

Notice too that, as Holding himself points out, it is people who value honor. This is because "honor" (or "respect" or "status") has a lot to do with how much power one has in society. It's a direct result of the fact that we are not immortal and omnipotent, and therefore our safety and well-being depends on maintaining a good relationship with our peers. Whoever harms our honor (or social status) causes us actual harm....

Jesus' argument sounds like nonsense unless you happen to remember that the Sadducees were still polytheists. The reason why Jesus' argument impressed people so much is because in the original religion taught by Moses, Yahweh was not the god of the dead, a god named "Mot" was. Jesus' argument still does not give any scriptural/Mosaic basis for a doctrine of resurrection, but it was a very impressive way to sneak in an insinuation that the Sadducees' polytheism contradicted their own scriptures....

All that human scholarship and apologetics does is to refine the art of denial and rationalization. You can study all you want, and think up the most sophisticated apologia, and fill your mind so full of bibliographies and footnotes that there isn't time to consider the real-life fact of God's absence....

In theory, Protestant Christians (at least) are supposed to hold the Bible as the sole source of authority for Christian faith and practice. In theory, the individual Christian is supposed to be able to read the Bible and say, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it." In theory, the individual Christian is not supposed to need a specialized (priestly?) class of men to read the Bible for him and to declare to him what it "really means."...

But if there's one thing that Jesus taught his disciples, it's how to have more than one variety of "truth"..You see this same attitude in Christians today, who will tell you without any sense of guilt or duplicity both that Jesus is in heaven and that Jesus is living in their hearts. Obviously, it's not literally, physically true that any of them have a 2,000 year old Jewish man residing in their left ventricle. That would be fatal, if it were even possible. But the fact that it is not literally true does not make the Christian feel like it's lying to call it spiritually true.

I suspect it's not in Mr. Holding's best interests to be too specific about what "the patronage model" is. It's apparently supposed to be some kind of scholarly excuse for why God does not show up in real life, possibly incorporating an excuse for why it's ok to take people's word for it when they claim that He did show up in real life. By avoiding any detailed explanation of patronage, Holding can continue to mock us and accuse us of being ignorant. If he spells out what it is, then he opens it up to critical examination. Sneering is much safer.

http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2008/01/...l-atheist.html

Dr. Helen props for the copycat thesis:

Thanks for your Christian think tank information Thomas. However, there are too many parallels to pass off as mere coincidence. Like Hendrix Keats said and William pointed out, it takes much less of an assumption to see the parallels of christianity to previous myths than it does to buy the story of "died, risen from the dead and divine." That sounds like a fairly tale to any rational person that hasn't been indoctrinated to believe the incredible by faith. I know it must be impossibly hard to accept and come to the realization that humans invented religion because they are fallible, imperfect and want so badly to believe in something greater than themselves. I know where you're coming from. The desperation to discredit atheists is a symptom of the persecution Christians have always felt because they have so little to concrete fact to back up their myths. I have to tell you that it is arrogant and childish to believe that 1.5 billion Muslims, 900 million Hindus, and 1.1 billion secularists are wrong and you are right. You are living a belief system based on fallacy and ancient myth, but if it works for you, it's all good.

Evangelical Realism.
JP, remember to put http://prime.org on your Christian website ballot.

the bare-jesus gets it for poor scholarship and terrible presentation of said poor scholarship.

I don't think that comment was by Dr. Helen.

I'm voting atheist poetry because I nominated that website.

Originally posted by aikidoka

I don't think that comment was by Dr. Helen.

It wasn't.

JP the comment was made by someone named "Ellen" who commented on her blog.

Originally posted by Darth Executor

It wasn't.

JP the comment was made by someone named "Ellen" who commented on her blog.

Maybe JP should get a mini screwball for making that mistake

Originally posted by Kabane52

I'm voting atheist poetry because I nominated that website.

The link does't work.

Originally posted by Pumbelo

The link does't work.

LOL! It worked yesterday. Seems to have been taken down soon after they were officially put on the ballot for a platinum screwbie.

Nah, their account got suspended. Makes sense since it's the beginning of the month. Probably gave them a day or two to pay and when they didn't, bye.

Dr. Helen is kind of cute. Maybe she should at least get a reward for that.

Originally posted by Polrean

Dr. Helen is kind of cute. Maybe she should at least get a reward for that.

She can see Russia from her house.

Originally posted by jpholding

http://atheistempire.com/writings/poetry.html -- bad atheist poetry

Heh, take a look:

I see the hate and fear in your eyes
If only you would take a look and realize the lies that lie behind your eyes.
the holder of the scripture is the breeder of hate.
He fills you with the misinformation, falsification And fabrication.
you take the bait.
The hate spreads lIke a virus.
A neurological disease
I am now a demon to the world.
If only you would take A look and realize the lies that lie behind your faithful eyes.

I am an atheist, as you can tell.
No child of Heaven, or prisoner of Hell.
I am the product of random chance,
with no deeper purpose or circumstance.

I scream at Christians so they will hear
my thoughts of them, loud and clear.
I call them haters, loons, insane
and say that logic is a theist's bane.

But so conveniently forgotten have I
failed to see my failings so high.
For in the fervor of my fit,
I became a hypocrite.

"You mind is diseased," said I to them
through my stomach bile and phlegm.
Though I never met them, still I will judge
and from my fundamentalism I will not budge.

Also, my poetic meter is off,
but that's okay even though you will mock me, hurt me, and scoff.
I'll still submit my poems so crappy,
lacking foundation, and terribly sappy
to my fundy atheist buds
and congratulate their own poetics duds.

Originally posted by Kabane52

LOL! It worked yesterday. Seems to have been taken down soon after they were officially put on the ballot for a platinum screwbie.

Ok it works again. I feel now almost sorry that I didn't vote for them.

Originally posted by Beren Erchamion

Heh, take a look:



I am an atheist, as you can tell.
No child of Heaven, or prisoner of Hell.
I am the product of random chance,
with no deeper purpose or circumstance.

I scream at Christians so they will hear
my thoughts of them, loud and clear.
I call them haters, loons, insane
and say that logic is a theist's bane.

But so conveniently forgotten have I
failed to see my failings so high.
For in the fervor of my fit,
I became a hypocrite.

"You mind is diseased," said I to them
through my stomach bile and phlegm.
Though I never met them, still I will judge
and from my fundamentalism I will not budge.

Also, my poetic meter is off,
but that's okay even though you will mock me, hurt me, and scoff.
I'll still submit my poems so crappy,
lacking foundation, and terribly sappy
to my fundy atheist buds
and congratulate their own poetics duds.

Now THAT's more like it.

This poem is full of win.

Originally posted by Darth Executor

It wasn't.

JP the comment was made by someone named "Ellen" who commented on her blog.

OK thanks. I'll keep that in mind if it wins.