I've already given you my answer.
When you are trying to find any kind of dirt on the LDS that you hope will hold up after being scrutinized, you will need to understand the LDS faith first. If you are looking for officially dissected minutia of "doctrine", you will not find it in a testimony. We are one denomination. We don't have what you are accustomed to----thousands and thousands of denominations which cover every jot and title of belief. We are also not a library of beliefs. Jesus spent three years of his life in his ministry. From the source of one Bible, the world has amassed unnumbered books written about the contents of the Bible; much much more than Jesus ever taught. It has taken over 2000 years to write and accumulate all of these books. Within these books even the jots have been dissected.
The LDS Church has been on the earth less than 200 years. Since that time hundreds of books have been compiled by man in an effort to destroy the Church. Within these books the authors have used their library of unnumbered books which took 2000 years to build upon the breakdown of the dissected jots. They then compared the Book of Mormon and other Standard Works of the Church against those dissections. In an on-going effort to destroy the Church, every talk given, every thought that is written down by any LDS is placed under the same microscopic test to also be compared against Christendom's dissections. You think you will be able to find imperfections to support your pre-determined construct that the Church is false. You go so far as to accuse us of not believing in Heavenly Father or in His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ. When we refute one item on the list created by our enemies, you go on to the next, or you backtrack on the ones you deem juicy. For every item on the list (which is placed there regardless of its invalidity) which you cross off, there are 2000 year's worth of dissected jots to address.
The LDS Church does not hang its existence on the thoughts and opinions of scholars, theologians, political correctness, theological terminology, comparison with every new denomination formed in Christendom. We are here because Christ has restored His Church. He is our leader, our beloved Savior and Redeemer. The precepts of man are meaningless to us. The teachings and guidance of our Savior, and our efforts to live our lives following Him are everything to us.
Paul made it very clear that the wise (with their thousands of books) will be made fools.
I know you think that the LDS need to wake up. You are trying to do a good thing by trying to save us. We have already accepted the only one true Jesus Christ.
God bless,
jo
Jo, when you go on these long "lectures" in order to avoid a simple question, I know it is because you realize you are wrong but are not humble enough to admit it.
You argued that Jesus was not omniscient on earth. You even gave an example to "prove" it and argued against other examples people gave.
I ASKED you and OC to check the LDS teachings on the matter to see if you were right or wrong because I was pretty sure you were wrong.
You didn't do it. OC did post one bit of the D&C, but instead of supporting that Jesus was not omniscient, it actually said he was after his baptism at least. and that IS official teaching.
I decided to go look for myself and found the testimony by Romney, where he used some of the SAME arguments we did to show that Jesus was omniscient.
Yes it is a testimony, but the point of a testimony is to show what you believe and give evidence of that for others.
Romney was your President. As such he was entrusted by God and the congregation to have the knowledge and wisdom to lead your church in all truth. It means that he has a heck of a lot more theological training than you do.
So when he says that Jesus was Omnipotent and Omniscient, then as your President he should actually KNOW right? He is not guessing or stating some opinion that does not matter. He is talking about the very nature and attributes of Jesus Christ! This is something very core to your religion. Was Jesus just a man while on earth, no different than other prophets who could only know and do miracles by somehow channeling the Father, or was he a god himself, the same YHWH that had all power and knowledge in the OT? Remember, God cannot change.
So when Romney says that Jesus was Omnipotent and Omniscient, he was not merely making some off hand statement. He was testifying to the very nature of Christ. He even went so far as to give a lot of examples from scripture to back up his statement.
Your dodging is showing everyone in this thread exactly what I told Sinaiticism earlier about when you kept insisting Barnabas was not an apostle, then refused to back down even when we showed you official LDS teachings that said he was. Instead you merely danced around trying to throw blame back on others.
Just like here.
So, instead of going on and on, trying to dance around the issue, just answer these questions.
1. Did Romney believe that Jesus was Omnipotent and Omniscient while on earth?
2. If not, was he lying in his statement?
3. If he did believe that, don't you think he had much more scriptural knowledge and wisdom than you do on such matters?
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Not only was Jesus all wise, he was also omniscient and omnipotent.
The following report illustrates his omniscience:
“… when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?
“He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
“Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
“Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.” (Matt. 17:24–27.)
Mark reports this illustration:
“And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, unto Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount of Olives, he sendeth forth two of his disciples,
“And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring him.
“And if any man say unto you, Why do ye this? say ye that the Lord hath need of him; and straightway he will send him hither.
“And they went their way, and found the colt tied by the door without in a place where two ways met; and they loose him.
“And certain of them that stood there said unto them, What do ye, loosing the colt?
“And they said unto them even as Jesus had commanded: and they let them go.” (Mark 11:1–6.)
The evidences of his omnipotence are legion:
He demonstrated power (1) over the elements by turning the water into wine (John 2:1–11), by stilling the tempests (Matt. 8:23–27, Mark 4:35–41, Luke 8:22–25), and by walking on the sea (Matt. 14:24–33, Mark 6:47–52, John 6:16–21); (2) over sickness and disease by healing the nobleman’s son (John 4:46–54), Peter’s wife’s mother (Matt. 8:14–15, Mark 1:29–31, Luke 4:38–39), and the woman with the issue of blood (Matt. 9:20–22, Mark 5:25–34, Luke 8:43–48); (3) over unclean and evil spirits by casting them out of the two Gadarene demoniacs (Mark 5:1–20, Luke 8:26–39), and the boy after the disciples failed (Matt. 17:14–21, Mark 9:14–29, Luke 9:37–43); (4) over death by raising the son of the widow of Nain (Luke 7:11–17) and calling Lazarus from the tomb (John 11:17–46); (5) over the grave by resurrecting himself and others (Luke 24:1–6, Matt. 27:52–53).
All these things—the events of his premortal life, the evidence of his wisdom, of his omniscience and omnipotence, and his victory over the grave—confirm my testimony that Jesus is the Christ.
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I repeat:
1. Did Romney believe that Jesus was Omnipotent and Omniscient while on earth?
2. If not, was he lying in his statement?
3. If he did believe that, don't you think he had much more scriptural knowledge and wisdom than you do on such matters?
