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  • #76
    so 37818,

    Who was Jesus Christ God the Son's mother?

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Adrift View Post
      Remember that he also holds the view that Jesus' human nature was not added to himself. Rather he holds the unorthodox view that Jesus had two natures before the incarnation, a divine nature and a placeholder nature that turned into a human nature at his incarnation.
      So what in the following do you deny?
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      The Christ is both God and man (Ephesians 5:5). Nowhere does the holy scripture teach Mary gave birth to God when she gave birth to the man who is the Christ. God did not change, the Word changed (John 1:14) becoming flesh. And the Word was always God and still is (Hebrews 1:3; etc). The Word being God (John 1:1; Malachi 3:6) is not what changed, the Word being with God is how He changed (John 1:2).
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        so 37818,

        Who was Jesus Christ God the Son's mother?
        What you just asked makes no sense.
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • #79
          Originally posted by 37818 View Post
          What you just asked makes no sense.
          Who was Jesus Christ's (aka God the Son) mother?

          or don't you believe that Jesus is God the Son?

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            yes the Son existed before the incarnation. He added flesh to himself. Which was born. The Son was born. The Son is God. Thus the Catholics say "Mary Mother of God"

            You want to say both that the Man and the Son are one being, and also separate them so that only the Man was born. Can't have it both ways.
            The fact that as the Son of God He was born to Mary as a son according to the flesh (Matthew 1:23) and according to prophecy (Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9:6). And that is not at issue. So do you yourself agree that Mary should be called the mother of God?
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Who was Jesus Christ's (aka God the Son) mother?

              or don't you believe that Jesus is God the Son?
              Jesus the Christ is the Son of God, God with His Father (Hebrews 1:8, The Father calls His Son God).
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • #82
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                Jesus the Christ is the Son of God, God with His Father (Hebrews 1:8, The Father calls His Son God).
                So who is his mother?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  So who is his mother?
                  The Son of God does not have a mother. Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    I don't know about in Orthodoxy but in Catholicism you have "Patron" saints of various things from AIDs caregivers to Zoos.
                    There's a little bit of that, but it's not very prominent. Most people in Orthodoxy petition the Theotokos, their own patron saint (mine is St. Luke the Evangelist), and those to whom they feel a particular attachment for whatever reason.
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                    • #85
                      From the Creed of Chalcedon, ". . . for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the unity, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ; . . ."

                      And a proof text of the word of God, the Lord being God, having blood, Acts 20:28, ". . . Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of the Lord and God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. . . ."
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                        The Son of God does not have a mother. Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary.
                        You just said that Jesus was the Son of God and he has a mother. Now you want to separate them into two. Which as OBP pointed out is Nestorianism.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          You just said that Jesus was the Son of God and he has a mother. Now you want to separate them into two. Which as OBP pointed out is Nestorianism.
                          For one your accusation and OBP's is false. And the Son of God has no mother, being the eternal Son. Like I said, " Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary."
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            For one your accusation and OBP's is false. And the Son of God has no mother, being the eternal Son. Like I said, " Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary."
                            You are defining mother as "creator" which is not the case. Think of it as a relationship. Did Jesus have brothers and sisters? if Jesus is the Son of God, then the Son of God also has brothers and sisters. Doesn't make them Gods. It is a relationship through his incarnation but the Son and Jesus are not two separate people. You can't say Jesus had brothers and sisters but God the Son didn't. They are the same person.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              You are defining mother as "creator" which is not the case. Think of it as a relationship. Did Jesus have brothers and sisters? if Jesus is the Son of God, then the Son of God also has brothers and sisters. Doesn't make them Gods. It is a relationship through his incarnation but the Son and Jesus are not two separate people. You can't say Jesus had brothers and sisters but God the Son didn't. They are the same person.
                              Again another false accusation. I nowhere defined Jesus mother as "creator." Yes, the man Jesus had brothers and sisters. Jesus did not become the Son of God being born of His human mother. He always was the Son of God, and in becoming the man Jesus He did not cease being the Son of God.
                              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                                Again another false accusation. I nowhere defined Jesus mother as "creator." Yes, the man Jesus had brothers and sisters. Jesus did not become the Son of God being born of His human mother. He always was the Son of God, and in becoming the man Jesus He did not cease being the Son of God.
                                and thus, as he gained humanity the Son also gained a human family: A mother, brothers, sisters, a step-father, friends, cousins, etc.

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