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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhy do you think (sour) wine was given to Jesus? John 19:28 might give a clue as to why.
Source: http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4782-crucifixion
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThe answer is " In order to make him insensible to pain, a drink (ὁξος, Matt. xxvii. 34, 48; John xix. 29) was given him. This was in accordance with the humane Jewish provision (see Maimonides, "Yad," Sanh. xiii. 2; Sanh. 43a). The beverage was a mixture of myrrh () and wine, given "so that the delinquent might lose clear consciousness through the ensuing intoxication."
Source: http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4782-crucifixion
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One Bad Pig saying "The second time (Matt. 27:48, John 19:29), there is no mention of anything added to it" is not true because in John 19:29 & 30, the wine was offered to Jesus in John 19:29 and most importantly Jesus drank the wine as per John 19:30. Such wine offer was for the purposes of (1) making the victim lose consciousness and (2) of reducing his pain. Such wine offer was unique trial since roman crucifixions do not have the wine offer in them.
Source: http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4782-crucifixion
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostOne Bad Pig saying "The second time (Matt. 27:48, John 19:29), there is no mention of anything added to it" is not true because in John 19:29 & 30, the wine was offered to Jesus in John 19:29 and most importantly Jesus drank the wine as per John 19:30. Such wine offer was for the purposes of (1) making the victim lose consciousness and (2) of reducing his pain. Such wine offer was unique trial since roman crucifixions do not have the wine offer in them.
Source: http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4782-crucifixionEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Postsure i understand posts but i don't buy whats against the scriptures.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Christian3 saying "Consider that the Qur'an does not deny the death of the Messiah, Jesus, but only denies that the Jews killed Jesus and they didn't, the Romans did" is acceptable.
I would like to point out that my position is biblical driven position.Last edited by Same Hakeem; 02-07-2018, 09:29 AM.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostChristian3 saying "Consider that the Qur'an does not deny the death of the Messiah, Jesus, but only denies that the Jews killed Jesus and they didn't, the Romans did" is acceptable.
I would like to point out that my position is biblical driven position.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Hakeem View PostMossrose writing " The executioners had crucified thousands of people by the time of Jesus' death. They certainly weren't too stupid to not recognize a dead person when they saw one, and that is without the medical knowledge we boast of now" is refuted by the fact that after all trial Jesus received by the Roman Soldiers who were experts in killing, Pilate was surprised to hear Jesus died according to Mark 15:44 because according to Christian Commentaries at biblehub.com on Mark 15:44 that is common for the victim of crucifixion to live upto days.
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Originally posted by Hakeem View PostThanks Sparko. Now I understand your questions.
The answer to Sparko questions below lies in the fact the disciples thought he should be dead in the tomb for three days and three nights because they heard from other sources that he died on the cross and was laid in tomb. All their source of what happened to him is what they heard from others because Mark 14:50 says "they ALL have fled and foresook him" when Jesus was arrested.
The following questions are Sparko quedtions;
Scenario 1: Disciples on the road think Jesus died, but he didn't. They don't recognize him because?
Scenario 2: Disciples on the road think Jesus died, and he did but was resurrected. They don't recognize him because?
"16 But they[c] were prevented from recognizing Him."
Jesus had something to tell these men:
25 He said to them, “How unwise and slow you are to believe in your hearts all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Didn’t the Messiah have to suffer these things and enter into His glory?” 27 Then beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He interpreted for them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
Jesus needed their full attention which they would not have given Him if they recognized Him.
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30 It was as He reclined at the table with them that He took the bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened, and they recognized Him, but He disappeared from their sight.
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