Announcement

Collapse

Civics 101 Guidelines

Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!

Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less

China calls Islam a disease and "quarantines" 1M Muslims

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • China calls Islam a disease and "quarantines" 1M Muslims

    China Is Treating Islam Like a Mental Illness

    The country is putting Muslims in internment camps—and causing real psychological damage in the process.



    One million Muslims are being held right now in Chinese internment camps, according to estimates cited by the UN and U.S. officials. Former inmates—most of whom are Uighurs, a largely Muslim ethnic minority—have told reporters that over the course of an indoctrination process lasting several months, they were forced to renounce Islam, criticize their own Islamic beliefs and those of fellow inmates, and recite Communist Party propaganda songs for hours each day. There are media reports of inmates being forced to eat pork and drink alcohol, which are forbidden to Muslims, as well as reports of torture and death.

    The sheer scale of the internment camp system, which according to The Wall Street Journal has doubled in China’s northwestern Xinjiang region just within the last year, is mindboggling. The U.S. Congressional-Executive Commission on China describes it as “the largest mass incarceration of a minority population in the world today.” Beijing began by targeting Uighur extremists, but now even benign manifestations of Muslim identity—like growing a long beard—can get a Uighur sent to a camp, the Journal noted. Earlier this month, when a UN panel confronted a senior Chinese official about the camps, he said there are “no such things as reeducation centers,” even though government documents refer to the facilities that way. Instead, he claimed they’re just vocational schools for criminals.


    China has been selling a very different narrative to its own population. Although the authorities frequently describe the internment camps as schools, they also liken them to another type of institution: hospitals. Here’s an excerpt from an official Communist Party audio recording, which was transmitted last year to Uighurs via WeChat, a social-media platform, and which was transcribed and translated by Radio Free Asia:

    Members of the public who have been chosen for reeducation have been infected by an ideological illness. They have been infected with religious extremism and violent terrorist ideology, and therefore they must seek treatment from a hospital as an inpatient. … The religious extremist ideology is a type of poisonous medicine, which confuses the mind of the people. … If we do not eradicate religious extremism at its roots, the violent terrorist incidents will grow and spread all over like an incurable malignant tumor.

    more at:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...llness/568525/

    ========


    For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest


    Yay Socialism!



  • #2
    From what I can tell, China's target is less Islam and more the Uighur/Uyghur (which are almost all Muslim). Non-Uighur Muslims are generally treated much better. Here's some information about it:
    https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/a-ta...im-minorities/

    Comment


    • #3
      Well that is disturbing. Seems like a rights violation.
      sigpic

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06
        Since this is being instituted by lovable leftists and not evil white men -- especially the wicked tyrant Trump -- I'm sure they have a good reason and are justified.
        This post appears to be tailor-made to provoke a derail.

        Given that Islam is a politico-theological system, I'm surprised that China has waited this long to crack down this vigorously. As Terraceth observes, however, this appears to be at least as much about Sinification of the province as it is suppression of Islam; they've been systematically moving in Han Chinese as well.
        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

        Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
        sigpic
        I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          This post appears to be tailor-made to provoke a derail.
          It was meant as smart-ass comment so yes I'm guilty of a bit of trolling here. Still, it is telling how quite the leftist contingent is on the matter especially considering their sudden interest in "Islamophobia."

          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          Given that Islam is a politico-theological system, I'm surprised that China has waited this long to crack down this vigorously. As Terraceth observes, however, this appears to be at least as much about Sinification of the province as it is suppression of Islam; they've been systematically moving in Han Chinese as well.
          The Chinese have also been suffering from acts of violence at the hands of Islamic terrorists, something that rarely gets reported by the Western press. While most of it appears to be linked with Islam (as Terraceth noted non-Muslims are not being harassed), Pan-Turkism and local separatists groups are other factors in play

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            The Chinese have also been suffering from acts of violence at the hands of Islamic terrorists, something that rarely gets reported by the Western press. While most of it appears to be linked with Islam (as Terraceth noted non-Muslims are not being harassed), Pan-Turkism and local separatists groups are other factors in play
            Hrm? That's not what I said. I said that Muslims that weren't Uighur (an ethnic group) weren't being harassed, not that non-Muslims weren't being harassed. Or perhaps more accurately, Muslims that weren't Uighur are being harassed much less than the Uighur Muslims. My statement was that the target of this seems to less be Islam so much as it is the Uighur, who are almost entirely Muslim, so if you're suppressing Uighur you'll be targeting a lot of Muslims.

            It's not fully a Uighur thing; the article notes that while it's mostly Uighur Muslims, there are other Muslims. But going after Islam seems to be of secondary importance to going after the Uighur.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
              Hrm? That's not what I said. I said that Muslims that weren't Uighur (an ethnic group) weren't being harassed, not that non-Muslims weren't being harassed. Or perhaps more accurately, Muslims that weren't Uighur are being harassed much less than the Uighur Muslims. My statement was that the target of this seems to less be Islam so much as it is the Uighur, who are almost entirely Muslim, so if you're suppressing Uighur you'll be targeting a lot of Muslims.

              It's not fully a Uighur thing; the article notes that while it's mostly Uighur Muslims, there are other Muslims. But going after Islam seems to be of secondary importance to going after the Uighur.
              My bad. I misremembered your post causing me to misrepresent it. Again, my apologies.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                This post appears to be tailor-made to provoke a derail.

                Given that Islam is a politico-theological system, I'm surprised that China has waited this long to crack down this vigorously. As Terraceth observes, however, this appears to be at least as much about Sinification of the province as it is suppression of Islam; they've been systematically moving in Han Chinese as well.
                It still goes to the point of how socialism treats those it doesn't like. Whether Muslim, or some ethnic group, Socialist governments (Soviet Union, China, Cuba, etc) are known for their "cleansing" and "re-education" policies. For a philosophy supposedly based on social equality, socialist countries routinely fail bigly and are guilty of the most heinous of human rights violations on the planet.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Chuck get back in the car and out of my thread. Please remove all of Chuck's posts and replies to it, including Rogue's initial derail mentioning Trump. This is not about Trump, but about China.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Chuck get back in the car and out of my thread. Please remove all of Chuck's posts and replies to it, including Rogue's initial derail mentioning Trump. This is not about Trump, but about China.
                    Moderated By: RumTumTugger

                    This is the official notification that Charles is no longer to post in this thread someone will be cleaning out the off topic posts.

                    ***If you wish to take issue with this notice DO NOT do so in this thread.***
                    Contact the forum moderator or an administrator in Private Message or email instead. If you feel you must publicly complain or whine, please take it to the Padded Room unless told otherwise.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      China also controls Christianity. Desert Berean pointed out the following to me.

                      Chinese Officials Erase First of 10 Commandments

                      January 9, 2019 by Lindy Lowry in Asia, Stories of Persecution

                      “You shall have no other gods before me.” It is No. 1 on the list of Ten Commandments God gave to His people.

                      Anyone who follows and worships Christ knows that its placement at the top is significant–a fact Chinese leader Xi Jinping and his regime are well aware of, based on a recent report from Bitter Winter, a website focusing on religious liberty and human rights issues in China.

                      The website reported that authorities in Luoning county in Henan Province (where China’s underground house church movement started) ordered a registered church to alter the list of the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall during a worship service. The website talked to church members in attendance who shared their accounts.

                      Reportedly on November 1, about 30 officials from the central “patrol inspection team” for religious supervision and from Luoyang city and Luoning county United Front Work Department arrived at the church in Dongcun village during a worship service to conduct an inspection.

                      An official inspecting the church stopped in front of the pulpit and pointed to the first of the Ten Commandments displayed on the wall: “You shall have no other gods before me.”

                      “This must be removed,” he said.

                      After saying that, the government officials immediately wiped off the commandment.

                      The church’s leader and believers strongly opposed the removal of the commandment. One believer reportedly said, “This isn’t appropriate. They’re falsifying the words of God! It’s resisting the Lord!”

                      “Xi Jinping opposes this statement,” an official said. “Who dares not to cooperate? If anyone doesn’t agree, they are fighting against the country.”

                      The official also warned the church: “This is a national policy. You should have a clear understanding of the situation. Don’t go against the government.”

                      Believers took down the Ten Commandments sign that day. Later, personnel from the county’s United Front Work Department took a photo of it and reported the incident to their superiors.

                      One church member recalled, “Back in August, the church’s cross was forcibly dismantled by the government. Now, the Ten Commandments have been converted into the ‘Nine Commandments.’ In China, practicing your faith is difficult.” Another said, “They are trying to corrupt our faith and make us betray God.”
                      Escalating Situation for Chinese Christians in 2019

                      The removal of crosses and this incident, in addition to arrests of more than 100 believers and last month’s closures of the Early Rain Covenant Church in Chengdu and the Rongguili Church in the port city of Guangzhou–both prominent underground house churches in China–continues to signal significant change for China’s Christians and churches in 2019.

                      Not since China’s Cultural Revolution led by Mao Zedong has the church in China seen this level of persecution. Last year, the state banned sales of the Bible, introduced a new version of the Bible revised by the Chinese Communist Party and required that “core socialist values” be taught as doctrine in all churches.

                      “The situation in China is likely to continue to escalate as the Chinese Communist Party increases its power and focuses on Chinese nationalism,” says Open Doors CEO David Curry.

                      “There will be even more pressure on the Body of Christ in China,” Curry continued. ”The government is trying to force out unregistered churches. Those churches that are registered, they approve sermons, these kinds of things, slowly turning up the heat and making it a ‘Chinese’ church, not a church of Jesus.”

                      Since assuming office in late 2012, Xi Jinping continues to increase his power. In October 2017’s meeting of the Communist Party Congress, he was granted another term, and the party put his policies into the Chinese constitution, granting it the same level of authority in the country as former Chinese leader Mao Zedong. “Xi Jinping Thought” has now been introduced as a guiding force for China. The New York Times reported the action “sent a clear signal to officials throughout China that questioning Mr. Xi and his policies would be ideological heresy.”

                      In the lead up to the Congress, World Watch List (the Open Doors research unit) analyst Thomas Muller said the elevation of Xi’s thought fits into a pattern of increasing restrictions on religion.

                      “The preferred line of thinking is emphasized by introducing President Xi Jinping’s own brand of ‘political thought’ into the Party constitution, tying ideology closer to the budding personality cult around him,” Muller explains. “Fitting into this pattern is a book recently published by the Central Party School, demanding that all students learn from President Xi’s experiences as a teenager during the Cultural Revolution.

                      “As the emphasis on Communist ideology and the personality cult emerging around President Xi gets stronger, the authorities will correspondingly act more strongly against all other ‘ideologies’ not fitting into this system, including the Christian religion.”
                      Xi Jinping: ‘Jesus Can’t Help You’

                      In November 2017, The Washington Post ran a chilling report (Nov. 14, 2017) from southeastern China: Thousands of villagers were told that Jesus can’t help them with illness or poverty, and only Xi Jinping can, so they should remove religious images and replace them with pictures of Xi.

                      Another report in the South China Morning Post quotes Qi Yan, chairman of the Huangjinbu people’s congress: “Many rural people are ignorant. They think God is their savior … After our cadres’ work, they’ll realize their mistakes and think: We should no longer rely on Jesus, but on the party for help.”

                      The increasing cult of personality around Xi (he’s even been referred to in the press as “Great Leader”–terminology not used since Mao Zedong’s rule) and the emphasis on poverty eradication by the Communist Party has led to China may positioning itself and its leaders against Christianity.

                      ====
                      Xi Jinping is setting himself and the communist party up as God. Sounds like Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Forshadowing of what will eventually happen here, anyone?


                        Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                          Forshadowing of what will eventually happen here, anyone?
                          No.
                          Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                          MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                          MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                          seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roy View Post
                            No.
                            I'll hold you to that, Roy.

                            Since crosses and commandments and other things like that are already removed from public places because of their "offence" and all.........


                            Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                              Forshadowing of what will eventually happen here, anyone?
                              Don't tempt people to derail this thread again.
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
                              sigpic
                              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

                              Comment

                              Related Threads

                              Collapse

                              Topics Statistics Last Post
                              Started by little_monkey, Yesterday, 04:19 PM
                              6 responses
                              45 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post whag
                              by whag
                               
                              Started by whag, 03-26-2024, 04:38 PM
                              42 responses
                              230 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post whag
                              by whag
                               
                              Started by rogue06, 03-26-2024, 11:45 AM
                              24 responses
                              104 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post Ronson
                              by Ronson
                               
                              Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 09:21 AM
                              32 responses
                              173 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post Hypatia_Alexandria  
                              Started by Hypatia_Alexandria, 03-26-2024, 08:34 AM
                              72 responses
                              281 views
                              0 likes
                              Last Post JimL
                              by JimL
                               
                              Working...
                              X