Interaction Problem Involving the Soul and Body

[Tassman]

And yet his mind survived death. Proof that you are wrong!

No it did't. It survived "near" death, which is what NDE's are all about.

[Tassman]

So it IS evidence then. I already said you might not think it is good evidence from your perspective. I doubt any evidence would be good from your point of view. But it IS evidence. Which is more evidence than you have.

Read my lips: “anecdotal accounts” are no more “evidence” than unverified anecdotal accounts of fairies or the pagan gods are evidence of their existence. In short, not to be taken seriously.

The NT accounts ARE eyewitness accounts, Tassman. Except Luke, which was Luke gathering eyewitness accounts and publishing them instead. So you could call that second hand.

None of the gospels are eyewitness accounts. They were written anonymously and late based on hearsay.

[Sparko]

No it did't. It survived "near" death, which is what NDE's are all about.

You said he was clinically dead. Changing your mind?

[Sparko]

Read my lips: “anecdotal accounts” are no more “evidence” than unverified anecdotal accounts of fairies or the pagan gods are evidence of their existence. In short, not to be taken seriously.

so we should never believe anecdotal evidence or eye witness accounts? Well there goes our entire justice system.

None of the gospels are eyewitness accounts. They were written anonymously and late based on hearsay.

They are eye witness accounts. You might want to dismiss them but that is what they are.

[JimL]

I was referring to the NT documents about Jesus' resurrection.

But yeah a lot of the OT books are eye witness too. The first 5 books are written by Moses though and were revealed to him by God.

Right, so there were no eye witnesses to the creation or to Adam and Eve's fall, right. So you don't need eyewitness accounts in order to believe in talking snakes, magic fruit, and cherubim with flaming swords? Right?

[Sparko]

Right, so there were no eye witnesses to the creation or to Adam and Eve's fall, right. So you don't need eyewitness accounts in order to believe in talking snakes, magic fruit, and cherubim with flaming swords? Right?

um what?

I believe in God for many reasons. What does that have to do with the topic?

[Tassman]

You said he was clinically dead. Changing your mind?

He was in the same condition as those you claim have 'near death experiences'.

[Tassman]

so we should never believe anecdotal evidence or eye witness accounts?

An anecdotal claim is not the same as eyewitness reportage. The former is not necessarily true or reliable, it's often hearsay evidence and cannot be deemed reliable in its veracity.

Well there goes our entire justice system.

No. Eyewitness reportage is important in the justice system, anecdotal accounts not so much.

They are eye witness accounts. You might want to dismiss them but that is what they are.

There is no good reason to regard the gospels as eyewitness accounts. They are anonymous and compiled far too late to be regarded as such.

[Sparko]

An anecdotal claim is not the same as eyewitness reportage. The former is not necessarily true or reliable, it's often hearsay evidence and cannot be deemed reliable in its veracity.



No. Eyewitness reportage is important in the justice system, anecdotal accounts not so much.

Well you are the one calling these anecdotal accounts, they are in fact eye witness reports from people who have gone through the event.

There is no good reason to regard the gospels as eyewitness accounts. They are anonymous and compiled far too late to be regarded as such.

Nobody ever said you had to believe them. Millions of others do. It's a consensus!

[Tassman]

Well you are the one calling these anecdotal accounts, they are in fact eye witness reports from people who have gone through the event.

They are accounts from people who think they have gone through the event.

Nobody ever said you had to believe them. Millions of others do. It's a consensus!

It’s a “consensus” which unlike say a scientific consensus, is not supported by verifiable facts.

[Sparko]

They are accounts from people who think they have gone through the event.

You can say that about any incident in history. The jews who lived through the holocaust are accounts of people who think they have gone through the event.

It’s a “consensus” which unlike say a scientific consensus, is not supported by verifiable facts.

But consensus Tassy! Consensus!!!!!!!!! 90% of the world's population!

[Tassman]

You can say that about any incident in history.

Such incidents need to be established as actually historical to be historically meaningful.

The jews who lived through the holocaust are accounts of people who think they have gone through the event.

Correct. Their “thinking” is supported by a great deal of substantiated evidence.

But consensus Tassy! Consensus!!!!!!!!!

As I’ve said repeatedly, “consensus” requires verifiable evidence supporting it otherwise it is meaningless.

90% of the world's population!

A great many people throughout human history have believed in a diverse variety of gods and spirits and totems. So?

[Sparko]

Such incidents need to be established as actually historical to be historically meaningful.



Correct. Their “thinking” is supported by a great deal of substantiated evidence.



As I’ve said repeatedly, “consensus” requires verifiable evidence supporting it otherwise it is meaningless.

Then why do you constantly argue for a consensus without providing evidence?

A great many people throughout human history have believed in a diverse variety of gods and spirits and totems. So?

How many of those Gods actually came to earth and lived among us and revealed himself to them? Jesus is part of history. Not myth.

[Tassman]

Then why do you constantly argue for a consensus without providing evidence?

I don't.

How many of those Gods actually came to earth and lived among us and revealed himself to them?

Lots! The Norse god Wotan (after whom Wednesday is named) frequently wandered the earth causing all sorts of mischief.

Jesus is part of history. Not myth.

So was Wotan in the minds of his believers. All gods have had their adherents. There's no verifiable evidence that any of them are true.

[JimL]

um what?

I believe in God for many reasons. What does that have to do with the topic?

Well, maybe, but you believe in the creation story without evidence, right?