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    So I was wondering... Even if Trump got his way and put the question about citizenship on the census, why would any illegal admit it?

    They are already paranoid about the government finding them out, so why would they tell the truth about it on the census?


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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    So I was wondering... Even if Trump got his way and put the question about citizenship on the census, why would any illegal admit it?

    They are already paranoid about the government finding them out, so why would they tell the truth about it on the census?
    It's asking about citizenship, not illegality. There are many people who live here legally who are not citizens.
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    • #3
      And there are citizens who are living illegally.

      I didn't get counted in the last census. I will have to put me down twice in the coming census.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        It's asking about citizenship, not illegality. There are many people who live here legally who are not citizens.
        True, but the whole controversy is about how many illegal aliens are in the country, which the democrats seem to want to suppress and Trump wants to know. I can see someone with a green card answering they are not a citizen, but I would think any illegal alien would be too paranoid to do so. It might be "anonymous" but I would think they would be too cautious, worrying they could be found out.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          True, but the whole controversy is about how many illegal aliens are in the country, which the democrats seem to want to suppress and Trump wants to know. I can see someone with a green card answering they are not a citizen, but I would think any illegal alien would be too paranoid to do so. It might be "anonymous" but I would think they would be too cautious, worrying they could be found out.
          Well, balance that with being found out for lying on the census form.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            And there are citizens who are living illegally.

            I didn't get counted in the last census. I will have to put me down twice in the coming census.
            Are you still gonna claim you're Chinese?
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Well, balance that with being found out for lying on the census form.
              The fact that they have penalties shows that it isn't as anonymous as they claim so the illegals should probably lie, since a fine for getting caught wouldn't matter much since they would also be being deported. Better to take the chance.

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              • #8
                Yes. And my other person is Zulu

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                • #9
                  The general plan from conservatives seems to be that if they receive a census form that doesn't ask the citizenship question, they'll just pitch it in the trash.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    The general plan from conservatives seems to be that if they receive a census form that doesn't ask the citizenship question, they'll just pitch it in the trash.
                    That would help compensate for illegal migrants being counted. Greater accuracy in the census count is a good goal. Imagine California losing half of its representatives.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      The general plan from conservatives seems to be that if they receive a census form that doesn't ask the citizenship question, they'll just pitch it in the trash.
                      That would be monumentally stupid. "Hey, let's help the liberals even more by being UNDERcounted!"
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        So I was wondering... Even if Trump got his way and put the question about citizenship on the census, why would any illegal admit it?

                        They are already paranoid about the government finding them out, so why would they tell the truth about it on the census?
                        While I don't fully understand why people would oppose a citizenship question, I do not agree with the Trump administration effectively violating a Supreme Court ruling to make it happen.



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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          That would be monumentally stupid. "Hey, let's help the liberals even more by being UNDERcounted!"
                          Yeah, not so great a plan.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                            While I don't fully understand why people would oppose a citizenship question, I do not agree with the Trump administration effectively violating a Supreme Court ruling to make it happen.



                            Jim
                            Yeah same here since he pretty much stacked the SCOTUS to his side, he should at least go by their ruling on it. But they didn't say it was unconstitutional or anything, they just said his reasoning wasn't sufficient or some such. The question used to be on the census and I see no problem with it. I also don't see that it would really work because illegals would probably lie on it.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Yeah, not so great a plan.
                              Not to mention illegal.

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