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- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have been saying, for quite a while, that Trump can be forgiven for not taking all of the actions that would have protected the U.S. in the very earliest days of the pandemic. There was a lot of confusion in that time frame with different leaders making different claims. But from the moment there was a confirmed "communal transmission" case, his failure to act in the following three weeks - his failure to even acknowledge there was a serious problem until March 16th, is unforgivable and cost U.S. lives. Now we have a study that quantifies at least part of that.
This report is about a study that shows that implementing social distancing even a single week earlier (never mind three weeks) would have reduced the current death toll by upwards of 36,000 deaths. If you back it up by 2 weeks, the number becomes 54,000 avoided deaths.
THIS is what I think we, the voters, have to hold Trump accountable for on November 3rd: More than 54,000 families grieving the loss of a loved one they need not have lost.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThis report is about a study that shows that implementing social distancing even a single week earlier (never mind three weeks) would have reduced the current death toll by upwards of 36,000 deaths. If you back it up by 2 weeks, the number becomes 54,000 avoided deaths.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostEntirely speculative and impossible to prove or disprove. The "study" is based entirely on models, and we know how absurdly wrong modeling has been throughout this whole pandemic.
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Originally posted by DivineBoob View PostThis is the line drawing fallacy. Just because the models are flawed doesn't mean they are worthless and we can't get anything useful from them.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by DivineBoob View PostI would read the study to understand their methodology and how large the error bars are. ~30k doesn't sound controversial to me so I'm not inclined to do so.
In fact, there is no way to prove or disprove a "study" that says, "If we had done X instead of Y then Z is one possible result."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAh, it's the good ol' "Sounds about right to me" methodology.
In fact, there is no way to prove or disprove a "study" that says, "If we had done X instead of Y then Z is one possible result."
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostPerhaps you can explain who called the CEO of Austal Shipbuilding on March 5 while my team was in his conference room to discuss operations during the COVID-19 shutdown? And why our Admiral sent us an email shutting our agency down that same day? Was the DoD acting on their own? Did POTUS just do it for fun? Or maybe he knew it was serious earlier, and acted on it, but the MSM just refuses to report it accurately?
On March 16th, for the first time, Trump acknowledged publicly that there was a problem and began pushing for public steps to be taken. Not a word about social distancing and stay at home was made publicly before that date by his administration, AFAICT. And even after that date, many things that could/should have been done were not done.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seanD View PostAgain with the "models." Because they've so far been so accurate.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have no idea what happened within the military or why. I can only speak to what was done publicly. Up until March 16th, Trump was publicly saying "no problem - we have it under control - it will go away." On March 8th he was playing golf.
On March 16th, for the first time, Trump acknowledged publicly that there was a problem and began pushing for public steps to be taken. Not a word about social distancing and stay at home was made publicly before that date by his administration, AFAICT. And even after that date, many things that could/should have been done were not done.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostExactly. I can speak to what was happening in the government. Active steps were being taken to prohibit government travel as early as late Feb.
On 11/3 - he should have to pay for those lives.
Also happy to report that Trump's Job approval rating is now at a worse level than before the pandemic began, and it appears poised to slip even further. Maybe people are finally wising up to the narcissistic con man they put in the Oval Office.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-21-2020, 07:03 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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And more "excellent leadership" from the Spoiled-Child-In-Chief
He just doesn't care. He needs to be taken out of that office on 11/3.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo it appears Trump had one set of runs for the government and military - and another for the general public. I'm afraid protecting the military did nothing to protect the up to 54,000 lives that apparently could have been saved had Trump started doing publicly what he was apparently doing privately.
On 11/3 - he should have to pay for those lives.
Also happy to report that Trump's Job approval rating is now at a worse level than before the pandemic began, and it appears poised to slip even further. Maybe people are finally wising up to the narcissistic con man they put in the Oval Office.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have been saying, for quite a while, that Trump can be forgiven for not taking all of the actions that would have protected the U.S. in the very earliest days of the pandemic. There was a lot of confusion in that time frame with different leaders making different claims. But from the moment there was a confirmed "communal transmission" case, his failure to act in the following three weeks - his failure to even acknowledge there was a serious problem until March 16th, is unforgivable and cost U.S. lives. Now we have a study that quantifies at least part of that.
This report is about a study that shows that implementing social distancing even a single week earlier (never mind three weeks) would have reduced the current death toll by upwards of 36,000 deaths. If you back it up by 2 weeks, the number becomes 54,000 avoided deaths.
THIS is what I think we, the voters, have to hold Trump accountable for on November 3rd: More than 54,000 families grieving the loss of a loved one they need not have lost.
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