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  • #16
    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    A judge held over a barrel by Barr and Trump.

    Source: CNN

    In an extraordinary move, all four federal prosecutors who took the case against longtime Donald Trump confidant Roger Stone to trial withdrew Tuesday after top Justice Department officials undercut them and disavowed the government's recommended sentence against Stone.

    The mass withdrawal of the career prosecutors on the case was a stunning response to the controversial and politically charged decision by Attorney General William Barr and other top Justice Department officials to reduce prosecutors' recommended sentence of up to nine years, which came just hours after Trump publicly criticized it on Twitter.

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    To your point, I would not know seer. I don't know what is normal for what he did. But let us suppose it's way too much. It still is not the place for POTUS to insert himself, and in doing so he is asserting a very bad imbalance of power.

    Trumps legitimate power would allow him to pardon Stone - would it not? That is where he can legitimately assert his opinion if he wishes to (though it may well still be abuse of power - the purpose of the power to pardon is not to let actual criminals go free)
    He lied Jim, that is what he did. It is not worth nine years and you know it. Trump should just pardon him...
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      He lied Jim, that is what he did. It is not worth nine years and you know it. Trump should just pardon him...
      A King can do that?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        He lied Jim, that is what he did. It is not worth nine years and you know it. Trump should just pardon him...
        Good grief seer, that's not the point. The point is it is not for Trump to decide, out side him issuing a pardon. So you not believe in the separation of powers principle of our government?
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • #19
          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          Good grief seer, that's not the point. The point is it is not for Trump to decide, out side him issuing a pardon. So you not believe in the separation of powers principle of our government?
          Trump did not decide anything, that is the Judge's job.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #20
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            Good grief seer, that's not the point. The point is it is not for Trump to decide, out side him issuing a pardon. So you not believe in the separation of powers principle of our government?
            Gee, it would be great if we had such things as Courts of Appeals or a Supreme Court to review manifest judicial error.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              Trump did not decide anything, that is the Judge's job.
              If only you were actually that naive ...
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #22
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Gee, it would be great if we had such things as Courts of Appeals or a Supreme Court to review manifest judicial error.
                And who, pray tell, is the brave soul that will challenge Trump the decision and take it to the court of Appeals or SCOTUS?
                My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  And who, pray tell, is the brave soul that will challenge Trump the decision and take it to the court of Appeals or SCOTUS?
                  That'd be more effective than just endlessly posting about it.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    That would have been for the Judge to decide, not POTUS.

                    At least, that is how the Framers of the constitution and the Founding fathers designed our government and justice system.


                    POTUS inserting himself into the system with his new found boldness is called 'abuse of power' and is the sort of thing that created the recognition there needed to be the capacity to impeach/remove a rogue president.
                    Yeah, POTUS can simply have pardoned him.

                    As for "a rogue president"...


                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      Trump did not decide anything, that is the Judge's job.
                      Yup. All they did was remove the sentencing guidelines/recommendation. The judge could still decide to give him 7 to 9 years.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        If only you were actually that naive ...
                        Jim the Judge is under no obligation to listen to Trump, or Barr...
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                          And who, pray tell, is the brave soul that will challenge Trump the decision and take it to the court of Appeals or SCOTUS?
                          And then there's this paranoid belief that everybody in Washington is scared to death of President Trump.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            And then there's this paranoid belief that everybody in Washington is scared to death of President Trump.
                            So much so that it drove poor Pelosi to drink.


                            And drink.


                            And drink.


                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Jim the Judge is under no obligation to listen to Trump, or Barr...
                              We'll see.

                              But again, if only you were actually that naive. "Under no obligation" - yikes.

                              So - who was just removed for consideration for a Treasury nomination but ... the fellow that oversaw the Stone prosecution!

                              This "I'm so naive and think everybody is just mean to Trump' ploy is really getting old.
                              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                                We'll see.

                                But again, if only you were actually that naive. "Under no obligation" - yikes.

                                So - who was just removed for consideration for a Treasury nomination but ... the fellow that oversaw the Stone prosecution!

                                This "I'm so naive and think everybody is just mean to Trump' ploy is really getting old.
                                Hopefully the judge is rational...
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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