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What should a married Christian do when not ready to have children?
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A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIMO, if one is "ready" to be married, then one should be "ready" for the natural consequences - i.e., children.
What about people who marry later in life, or already have children from a previous relationship?...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThe main end of marriage should be to produce and rear children and not for romance/lust; focus on the latter has well sapped the meaning and social centrality of marriage.
What it if is only one of produce and rear, like if they can produce a child to be adopted for an adopting couple that is willing to pay for medical expenses or if they can adopt but can't get pregnant themselves?
My understanding of 1 Cor 7:9 was that it was better to marry than to lust.Last edited by Ana Dragule; 05-07-2015, 04:25 PM.I am become death...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostWhat about people who marry later in life, or already have children from a previous relationship?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Ana Dragule View PostSo like if a person can't have kids, birth defect, removed uterus, medication, whatever, they shouldn't even bother with marriage?
My understanding of 1 Cor 7:9 was that it was better to marry than to lust.
But yes, I'd agree that one end of marriage is for the sexual desire to be fulfilled, but that's not the main end. The unity that copulation produces is meant to promote another end.
The undergirding worldview is also very important. Nowadays (in the West) marriage, having been emptied of much of its prior significance and meaning, is often seen as merely another stage of the romantic relationship.Last edited by Paprika; 05-07-2015, 04:44 PM.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostAdopt.
And it is good to stay unmarried, as was Paul.
But yes, I'd agree that one end of marriage is for the sexual desire to be fulfilled, but that's not the main end. The unity that copulation produces is meant to promote another end.
You did not answer about a couple that could produce offspring for adoption. You did not address if they could have children later on. You have not given much discussion to birth control and it's role (or lack of) in marriage.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostThe undergirding worldview is also very important. Nowadays (in the West) marriage, having been emptied of much of its prior significance and meaning, is often seen as merely another stage of the romantic relationship.Last edited by Ana Dragule; 05-07-2015, 05:05 PM.I am become death...
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Originally posted by Ana Dragule View PostYou did not answer about a couple that could produce offspring for adoption.
You did not address if they could have children later on.
You have not given much discussion to birth control and it's role (or lack of) in marriage.
If marriage was sex, some of the posts here would sound Roman Catholic.
As to contraception I think it can be of proper use in a few limited situations, but it will only end up being terribly misused (look at the sexual anarchy in the West, for the love of all that is sacred) so it needs to be banned.
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI didn't because it should be pretty clear that giving up child for adoption should be only done when there's no other choice and shouldn't be in any way a normal process.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostNot sure what this means.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostDespite my other critiques of the Catholic Church I have great respect and admiration for the Popes for maintaining the ban against contraception, in spite of all the critique from the progressive culture, in spite of the internal Catholic revolt, and in spite of all the other major denominations deciding to go along with the flow.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostAs to contraception I think it can be of proper use in a few limited situations, but it will only end up being terribly misused (look at the sexual anarchy in the West, for the love of all that is sacred) so it needs to be banned.I am become death...
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Originally posted by Ana Dragule View PostWell, when marriage is boiled down to reproductive activities... no, it's not clear.
This means if they would be better off or more able to have kids down the line rather than in the near future. Like if they had a decent reason to not be ready to have kids.
Just admit it. You secretly want to become Coptic but the liturgy would be an adaptation.
The reckless use of the many prohibits the proper use of the few?
But I'd be open to hearing suggestions on how you can allow it for strictly limited situations and not have them abused (ie. the normal human tendency to maximise carnal pleasure).
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI said main end, not only end.
OBP put it well: if one is "ready" to be married, then one should be "ready" for the natural consequences - i.e., children.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostAlso I don't want to move to Egypt.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostI'm going to use an analogy (TM): psychoactive drugs can be of proper [medicinal] use but hand them out like candy and you'll have abuse.
But I'd be open to hearing suggestions on how you can allow it for strictly limited situations and not have them abused (ie. the normal human tendency to maximise carnal pleasure).I am become death...
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Originally posted by Ana Dragule View PostOBP also asked how that would change if it wasn't a matter of responsibility. I PMed him what I hope changes for me. (please feel free to pray it does)
You don't have to.
What do you think can be proper use?
Also maybe not wanting to have too many children could be a valid scenario given that survival of children is much greater than in the past but I haven't reached a firm conclusion on that.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhat would that change?
I'd forgotten about this thread...
What about a Christian couple, both previously single, who marry when they're at an age where child-bearing is going to be increasingly hazardous to both mother and child's health?...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostI'd forgotten about this thread...
What about a Christian couple, both previously single, who marry when they're at an age where child-bearing is going to be increasingly hazardous to both mother and child's health?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostChild-bearing is far less hazardous to the health of mother and child at any time of the mother's life now than it has ever been in the past....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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