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NASCAR bans confederate flag from all events.

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  • #16
    The world is a safer place now that the South no longer exists. There never were two sides in the civil war. History has just been cleaned up.

    It is dangerous to simplify and bury history. It is dangerous to stop people's voices. I don't know what (if anything) the confederate flag (or its image on a shirt or car) means to those who display it. However, the prevention of free speech (a voice) could promote worse effects.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      GWTW was a favorite of my mom and sister (perhaps not so much now). It's a classic, but an artifact of a different era. I've never understood parading the confederate flag. All it means to me is support for slavery. But I realize it means other things to other people.
      Yes, it's a complex symbol, composed of equal parts of pain, patriotism and racism.
      Last edited by Whateverman; 06-11-2020, 12:17 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        The problem is that the very worst parody or satire or whatever is not very far at all from the idiocy we've seen from the left.
        You keep painting "the left" as the most extreme voices (not just in this thread). That's not "the left" in any meaningful sense. You don't like being called a nazi or a racist despite them running rampant in the Republican party, right?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
          You keep painting "the left...
          Please note my edit.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
            If you needed proof that a tectonic shift is underway in this country this is a pretty good indication.
            Yes, toppling and defacing historical statues, removing historical films, negating history is a very promising future.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Please note my edit.
              That's appreciated. So we both agree that the fringe left is not representative of a meaningful slice of this country and their contributions are generally unwanted and unhelpful. Hopefully most on this board feel similarly.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                A trivial search would reveal that this video is, per its creator, comedy / satire.
                Really? You don't think having white people apologizing for white privilege isn't a real thing?
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DivineOb View Post
                  That's appreciated.
                  An oversight on my part very quickly corrected.

                  So we both agree that the fringe left is not representative of a meaningful slice of this country and their contributions are generally unwanted and unhelpful.
                  "The left" would do well to denounce them, and try to bring order. I think those in the leadership of "the left" are afraid to incur the wrath of their own fringe.

                  Hopefully most on this board feel similarly.
                  I was actually quite surprised how hard JimL, for example, DEFENDS the extremist left nuttery, and I really don't see any of "the left" correcting him, or pointing out how nutty the fringe has become.

                  I've actually contemplated starting a thread asking "the left" here where they draw the line.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by seanD View Post
                    Yes, toppling and defacing historical statues, removing historical films, negating history is a very promising future.
                    Can you say Mao's Cultural Revolution...
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post
                      Yes, toppling and defacing historical statues, removing historical films, negating history is a very promising future.
                      Isn't this the act of religious revolutionaries like ISIS? Do we have our own ISIS operating among our state governments?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        Isn't this the act of religious revolutionaries like ISIS? Do we have our own ISIS operating among our state governments?


                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Taliban.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                          Isn't this the act of religious revolutionaries like ISIS? Do we have our own ISIS operating among our state governments?
                          ISIS or the communist revolutions of the past, take your pick.

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                          • #28
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post
                              Yes, toppling and defacing historical statues, removing historical films, negating history is a very promising future.
                              The great majority of those confederate statues were put up in response to the civil rights movement long after the Civil War. The Old South and it's treason over slavery will not rise again and needs be obliterated. Removing the statues isn't obliterating the history of this country, ugly as it was, it's just the states and organizations recognizing it for what it was and ending the homage paid to it.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                The great majority of those confederate statues were put up in response to the civil rights movement long after the Civil War. The Old South and it's treason over slavery will not rise again and needs be obliterated. Removing the statues isn't obliterating the history of this country, ugly as it was, it's just the states and organizations recognizing it for what it was and ending the homage paid to it.
                                No Jim, what is happening is lawless. These protesters have no right to tear these statues down. If you don't want them there is a political way of doing it. We have them on camera and they should be arrested for destruction of government property.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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