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Celebrating Christmas

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  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    That's about idols made of wood.

    Since when did Christians worship Christmas Trees?
    JW's are weird. They will claim just about anything is "Pagan Worship" - Christmas, Christmas trees, giving presents, birthdays, etc. EXCEPT when the bible clearly says that people worshiped Jesus. Then, no! that is not worship, that is just obeisance, bowing down in honor.

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    • Bibleuser, regardless of whether you refrain from celebrating a specific day, the more pertinent issue is the underlying faulty theology you have adopted from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. You have been lied to regarding who Jesus Christ is.
      For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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      • Originally posted by The Remonstrant View Post
        Bibleuser, regardless of whether you refrain from celebrating a specific day, the more pertinent issue is the underlying faulty theology you have adopted from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. You have been lied to regarding who Jesus Christ is.
        Luke 22:14-19
        So when the hour came, he reclined at the table along with the apostles. 15 And he said to them: “I have greatly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16 for I tell you, I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God.” 17 And accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “Take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves, 18 for I tell you, from now on, I will not drink again from the product of the vine until the Kingdom of God comes.” 19 Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”

        this is the only event that Jesus said to do for him in The Bible!!
        BU

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Junked?

          Your entire religion is based on this junk. A house built on sand. The founders and basic principals and doctrines that formed the Watchtower and Jehovah's Witnesses are all wrong and "junked" now. So why do you think what you believe is correct? Even your bible translation, the NWT was written by Russell who knew absolutely nothing about Greek or Hebrew. It is the worst translation ever made! And you still use it!

          Your argument so far is that we should not celebrate Christmas because it is based on pagan beliefs. Yet as I showed you, your ENTIRE religion and organization is based on pagan beliefs. If Charles Russell and the Watchtower were pagans then what does that make YOU?
          As I said you are out of date,
          BU

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          • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
            Luke 22:14-19
            So when the hour came, he reclined at the table along with the apostles. 15 And he said to them: “I have greatly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16 for I tell you, I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God.” 17 And accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “Take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves, 18 for I tell you, from now on, I will not drink again from the product of the vine until the Kingdom of God comes.” 19 Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”

            this is the only event that Jesus said to do for him in The Bible!!
            BU
            Merry Christmas to you, too, Uncle Scrooge.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
              Luke 22:14-19
              So when the hour came, he reclined at the table along with the apostles. 15 And he said to them: “I have greatly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16 for I tell you, I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the Kingdom of God.” 17 And accepting a cup, he gave thanks and said: “Take this and pass it from one to the other among yourselves, 18 for I tell you, from now on, I will not drink again from the product of the vine until the Kingdom of God comes.” 19 Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”

              this is the only event that Jesus said to do for him in The Bible!!
              BU
              And you JWs won't even do that! You just pass the cup and bread down the row once a year and won't partake of it because you don't think you are one of 144,000.

              That is really sad.

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              • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
                As I said you are out of date,
                BU
                And your religion's founder was out of his mind.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Insults normanly show lack of reason and logic and substance in one points on making an argument.
                  Sad.
                  BU

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                  • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
                    Insults normanly show lack of reason and logic and substance in one points on making an argument.
                    Sad.
                    BU
                    When was the last time you ate the wine and bread in remembrance of Jesus as he commanded?

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                    • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
                      Insults normanly show lack of reason and logic and substance in one points on making an argument.
                      Sad.
                      BU
                      You totally ignored the proof that your denomination was founded on total ignorance. That's not an insult, it's a provable fact.

                      Now, if I had said, "You totally ignored the proof that your denomination was founded on total ignorance, you moron". THAT would be an insult.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
                        Insults normanly show lack of reason and logic and substance in one points on making an argument.
                        Sad.
                        BU
                        They can also work effectively alongside an argument. See many of Jesus' responses to the Pharisees. He was pretty harsh with them, but He also showed far more reason than them.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          And you JWs won't even do that! You just pass the cup and bread down the row once a year and won't partake of it because you don't think you are one of 144,000.

                          That is really sad.
                          Thank you for sparing me the time in writing this also.
                          For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            And you JWs won't even do that! You just pass the cup and bread down the row once a year and won't partake of it because you don't think you are one of 144,000.

                            That is really sad.
                            Okay, dumb question - what DO they think they are?
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                            • Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                              Okay, dumb question - what DO they think they are?
                              The 144,000 will supposedly be in "heaven" the remaining "faithful" will be relegated to the New Earth.
                              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                              • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                                The 144,000 will supposedly be in "heaven" the remaining "faithful" will be relegated to the New Earth.
                                At least if they were Mormons the could be gods of their very own worlds.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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